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Post by brobear on Mar 28, 2019 4:09:17 GMT -5
IMO - Any bear, polar bear, Kodiak bear, or even Arctodus simus would stand no better than a 50-50 chance against two big cats ( lion or tiger ). While the bear is mauling one, the other is doing serious damage ( if they work together ). Three big cats, the odds get worse. However; if one big cat is killed and the bear is killed, its a draw. One dead cat. One dead bear. Pack hunters do not ordinarily sacrifice a pack member for a meal.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 28, 2019 4:42:19 GMT -5
IMO - Any bear, polar bear, Kodiak bear, or even Arctodus simus would stand no better than a 50-50 chance against two big cats ( lion or tiger ). While the bear is mauling one, the other is doing serious damage ( if they work together ). Three big cats, the odds get worse. However; if one big cat is killed and the bear is killed, its a draw. One dead cat. One dead bear. Pack hunters do not ordinarily sacrifice a pack member for a meal. You have a point there. But even if one cat dies, doesnt the victory count for the pride or pack?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 4:48:17 GMT -5
Bjorn: dont exaggerate my man common, Ha ha ha. No polar bear can defeat 3 or 4 or 5 lions you nuts? Thats too much. 2 its possible, but i doubt it too. Those are just impossible odds even for prehistoric bears. Displace yes, but a fight until death, no. Oh course the average one can't but what about a 2200 pound polar bear vs four 500 pound lions, don't they weigh about the same (was doing it mathematically)? Just posting a bold statement by the way - maybe its a bit too over the limit, however, I remember one poster who claimed that a polar bear can beat ten lions, something even I find hard to believe. One a more realistic point of view (minus my exggegeration): a 2200 pound polar bear could displace five lions as none of the lions would want to be killed (a better statement), since, a 900 pound short faced bear can displace two american lions.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 28, 2019 5:08:23 GMT -5
The thing is not even the short faced bear killed 3, 4 ,5 cats. Displace yes, but not killed. Does not matter if 4 lions weight 500 each, they will all attack the bear at the same time, from the back, the sides, everywhere. One lion will die for sure, but the rest will finally kill the bear. Even 4 lions of 400 lbs each will kill the largest bears. Its just too much. But a displacement yes.
Yeah whoever posted that a polar bear can kill 10 lions at once is just a fanboy, lmao.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 5:17:04 GMT -5
True, he was from AVA and his name is XismXist. I stand corrected, to say a 2200 polar bear can kill five lions is clearly an exaggeration, I should have just said displace. Similar to a male lion displacing up to 20 hyenas (of course lions are bolder than hyenas). What do you think, King Kodiak?
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 28, 2019 6:03:10 GMT -5
True, he was from AVA and his name is XismXist. I stand corrected, to say a 2200 polar bear can kill five lions is clearly an exaggeration, I should have just said displace. Similar to a male lion displacing up to 20 hyenas (of course lions are bolder than hyenas). What do you think, King Kodiak? See now we are talking realism, ha ha. Yeah sure, i already said that a huge polar bear, or any huge bear can displace 5 lions, not always though, lions are fierce animals. 3 or 4 lions, more likely. But as far as killing 3 to 5 lions at once? Only an elephant.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 28, 2019 11:44:22 GMT -5
I think a shortface bear though could defeat 2 or 3 lions.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 28, 2019 16:35:54 GMT -5
I think a shortface bear though could defeat 2 or 3 lions. Thats a bit of a stretch. Not very likely. Short faced bear was not such a good grappler. It was more of a scavenger and a Kleptoparasite. 3 ferocious lions all attacking at once are impossible odds.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 28, 2019 19:11:58 GMT -5
I think a shortface bear though could defeat 2 or 3 lions. Thats a bit of a stretch. Not very likely. Short faced bear was not such a good grappler. It was more of a scavenger and a Kleptoparasite. 3 ferocious lions all attacking at once are impossible odds.Well didn't the polar bear Velox kill 2 lions?
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 28, 2019 19:24:29 GMT -5
Thats a bit of a stretch. Not very likely. Short faced bear was not such a good grappler. It was more of a scavenger and a Kleptoparasite. 3 ferocious lions all attacking at once are impossible odds. Well didn't the polar bear Velox kill 2 lions? In different events though. Not at once.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 28, 2019 19:49:24 GMT -5
Oh ok got ya. I wonder if they were male lions or females.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 28, 2019 20:04:30 GMT -5
Oh ok got ya. I wonder if they were male lions or females. Does not say. Just says “African lions”
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 28, 2019 20:46:29 GMT -5
Well this is great because this is another win for the bears.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 6:05:02 GMT -5
Well this is great because this is another win for the bears. Still the reason why a one and only 2200 pound polar bear can displace five lions even though the lions are fierce is because if the polar bear breaks the jaw of a lion, the lion will eventually starve to death, depending on the temeprament of the lions. Even though the lions are bolder than other cats and can win I doubt they will prefer to take on an animal that can potentially kill at least one and injure another in the jaw and make it starve to death. An injured lion can survive if even if it gets hit in the leg as it can still live off other members of its pride. Suvati lions are more aggressive than other lions for example.
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Post by brobear on Mar 31, 2019 7:17:15 GMT -5
Well, polar bears don't have big cats to worry with. The mere fact that polar bears exist is a testament of the bear's superiority. Of all the large quadruped Carnivorans, only the grizzly challenged the high arctic, survived, and conquered to become the king of the icy realm - the polar bear. No big cat can challenge his kingdom.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 31, 2019 23:05:41 GMT -5
I think there's a reason where the biggest bears on the planet live there are also no big cats.
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Post by brobear on Apr 1, 2019 6:13:39 GMT -5
I think there's a reason where the biggest bears on the planet live there are also no big cats. No. Tigers live among grizzlies in Russia. The simple truth is, none of the big cats, including Siberian tigers and cave lions, could endure the harsh challenges of the true high arctic. Even though the big cats are better hunters, and meat is the only available food, the cats could not endure the elements. Bears are tougher than cats. Where the tiger and the lion failed; the grizzly conquered the high arctic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 7:34:32 GMT -5
As much as I like the polar bear, I am surprise the large male polar bears have not preyed on the barren ground grizzlies yet. Looks like the grizzly having survived among other large predators in the past now has the chance to display its adaptablity (apart from its obvious aggression).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 9:11:34 GMT -5
Another bold statement: Exceptionally large male polar bears will have a much easier time killing bull cape buffalos and gaurs and bisons compared to bull walrus and medium size cetaceans such as the beluga if it manages to get pass the defense of the ungulate and the one and only 2200 pound polar bear can kill a bull auroch and bison.
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Post by BruteStrength on Apr 1, 2019 12:40:01 GMT -5
I think there's a reason where the biggest bears on the planet live there are also no big cats. No. Tigers live among grizzlies in Russia. The simple truth is, none of the big cats, including Siberian tigers and cave lions, could endure the harsh challenges of the true high arctic. Even though the big cats are better hunters, and meat is the only available food, the cats could not endure the elements. Bears are tougher than cats. Where the tiger and the lion failed; the grizzly conquered the high arctic. Agree bears are some of the world most toughest animals in my opinion. What are your top 5 most toughest animals on Earth?
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