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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2019 8:09:25 GMT -5
You sure you read this in California grizzly? To be honest i really dont remember reading this. Yes, pretty sure. They were even using black bears in the place of grizzlies. Even having bear vs donkey and bear vs rats, etc. The bears will see the donkeys and rats as food, typical mismatch.
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Post by brobear on Apr 4, 2019 15:27:21 GMT -5
Yes, pretty sure. They were even using black bears in the place of grizzlies. Even having bear vs donkey and bear vs rats, etc. The bears will see the donkeys and rats as food, typical mismatch. When even a grizzly is forced into a cramped space with a hundred wharf rats; its no laughing matter. There is no limits to human cruelty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2019 17:55:12 GMT -5
Totally agree with you brobear, humans are the most cruel creatures in the world.
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Post by King Kodiak on Apr 7, 2019 12:51:40 GMT -5
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Post by BruteStrength on Apr 8, 2019 3:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Apr 8, 2019 5:45:17 GMT -5
I have read: you remove the hide from a bear, you find a man of extraordinary musculature.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2019 7:22:54 GMT -5
Even without their hide, bears are still strong looking.
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Post by BruteStrength on Apr 8, 2019 7:31:57 GMT -5
I agree but bears can look fluffy and soft with the long fur. This give bears a rather cuddly appearance.
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Post by brobear on Apr 27, 2019 1:32:38 GMT -5
Nice find OldBlueOne. We have numerous posts here showing that the grizzly's shoulder hump adds power to his paw-strike. Post #14 shows that the grizzly's front paws are designed to withstand damage when delivering a devastating paw-strike, even upon the metal body of an automobile.
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Post by King Kodiak on May 2, 2019 16:06:11 GMT -5
4,500-YEAR-OLD BEAR PAW DISCOVERED NEXT TO DISMEMBERED SKELETONS OF STONE AGE MAN AND CHILD By Hannah Osborne On 5/2/19 at 11:57 AM EDT bear paw File photo of a bear paw. PHOTO: ISTOCK A 4,500-year-old bear paw has been discovered in a Stone Age grave in Poland that contained the dismembered skeletons of a man and child. While animal offerings are a common feature of prehistoric burials from this time, archaeologists have never found bear remains in a grave before. The burial site was discovered a few years ago and examined by archaeologists, Science in Poland (PAP), a site run by the country’s Ministry of Science and Higher Education, reports. It had been found by a local villager while he was digging a drive on his property. Researchers found a large entrance cavity leading to a recess where they believe rituals would have been performed. The skeletons—an adult male and a small child—had been dismembered. They found and traces of fire, including a pig jaw, which is thought to have had ritual significance. "It turned out that at the bottom of the entrance cavity, before the funerary niche, there was a single cattle bone and an almost complete bear paw. The latter find is completely unique among the late Neolithic graves,” Elżbieta Sieradzka, from the Institute of Archaeology of the University of Rzeszów, told PAP. The bears paw was found to have been in the correct anatomical arrangement, suggesting that it had been placed there on purpose, in its entirety—rather than being discarded after a feast. Mirosława Zabilska-Kunek and Daniel Makowiecki, who performed the bone analysis, said that normally graves from this period contain the bones of cattle and pigs. The team believes this burial site provides an insight into the rituals being carried out towards the end of the Stone Age. "The bear’s paw could be an offering for the deceased,” Sieradzka said. "There are many examples of the symbolic meaning of this part of the carcass. In southern Fennoscandia [on the Scandinavian Peninsula] people believed that fangs, claws, penile bones and bear paws had healing powers, protected cattle from predators and gave their owner the animal`s senses and strength.” Bear paws, she said, would sometimes be made into amulets that were thought to deter evil. Why the skeletons had been dismembered is unclear. However, other Stone Age burial sites have been discovered in Europe where the bodies had been mutilated. On Scotland’s Orkney Islands, there is evidence to suggest communities living there 6,000 years ago would bury their dead in tombs whole, before systematically dismembering them over time. And at a site in northwest Ireland, researchers recently uncovered a 5,000-year-old tomb containing bodies where the bodies had been chopped up, indicating a complex funeral ritual. "We found indications of cut marks caused by stone tools at the site of tendon and ligament attachments around the major joints, such as the shoulder, elbow, hip and ankle," Jonny Geber, from the University of Otago, said in a statement. "This appears to entail the bodies of the dead being 'processed' by their kin and community in various ways, including cremation and dismemberment. It was probably done with the goal to help the souls of the dead to reach the next stages of their existence." www.newsweek.com/bear-paw-stone-age-burial-dismembered-skeletons-1412964?amp=1
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 5:44:01 GMT -5
The Bear Almanac by Gary Brown. I n an attack, bears charge on all four legs, some in great, leaping bounds. They do not stand bipedal in an attack, unless in a final, close-quarters "reaching" action. They do not "bear hug" but strike, claw, and bite. The most effective method of attack is with a crushing blow of a forepaw; they have incredible forepaw speed; a single strike is so powerful that it can kill an adult elk, caribou, or moose. The bear "... strikes around with its paws," according to Frederick Drimmer in 'The Animal Kingdom. "The terrific strength of its weighty arms drives the claws deep into the body of its victims." "When hunting large game, bears may stalk catlike, then run the prey down with a sudden spurt and kill it with blows of the forepaws and bites through the neck," describes Paul Shepard and Barry Sanders in 'The sacred Paw'. Scientists, victims, and other observers describe various actions of the species: Brown bear: uses speed to run down prey; charges in great bounds ( while uttering a deep roar ); rears up in fight to grasp head or neck with teeth; swings powerful forepaws, with enormous body strength behind them. Nice post I have read this when I borrowed the Great Bear of Almanac by Gary Brown between seven to ten years ago. This is some of the devastating effects a polar bear's claws and jaws can do: Credited to Verdugo carnivora.net/showthread.php?tid=6126&pid=56770#pid56770The third picture is very bloody and the 2nd picture is from a video on youtube where a female polar bear tried to catch a beluga. On the old carnivora proboards, there was an account where a female polar bear killed a beluga five times her weight and dragged it for about 23 ft (I forgot the exact sentence but Brobear should have seen the account I think).
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 19, 2019 7:47:26 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Jul 19, 2019 17:26:35 GMT -5
Yeah definitely very interesting. I think by “paw speeds” he means swiping speed. You would think that a big cat would swipe faster than a bear, although if Bold champ, (a lion fanatic) is saying this, it must be very true.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 6, 2019 20:01:22 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Nov 14, 2019 9:26:33 GMT -5
From Malkc6 in 2013: My post on AVA. This is my estimation on how hard a bear can probably hit. After my estimation, its no surprise why bears were able to break bulls necks with one paw strike.
The science is estimation. A 400 pound tiger when angry was estimated to do more than 10000 pounds of force when angered. I stuck with 10000 on that one. A male tiger weighing 100 pounds heavier could likely generate 25% more force than a tigress. A grizzly bear weighing 163 pounds heavier could hit harder because its bigger and if you go with bolds theory about bear's having a 20% stronger hit based on a mechanical advantage, that is 12500 pounds of force. You keep estimating until you reach 1300 pounds.
Professional boxers have bit measured hitting up to 400 to 500 pounds at base level. Cougars and leopards could do that without any trouble. Their maxes would probably be over 2000 pounds based on the adrenaline rush test they did with Houston Alexander. Cougars and leopards are about the size of humans after all.
Jaguars often weigh 225 pounds. A paw strike could probably generate 600 or 700 pounds of force and it would topple 1300 if it was angered. Because its half the size of the tigress that was used, it could go to 5000 pounds or slightly more if it wanted to.
See what I'm doing? I am taking past tests that they did with humans and that one tiger to keep going up by weight to estimate the hit. I may not be completely accurate though since bears and cats are designed differently but this also goes back to bolds theory on the bear having a 20% stronger strike.
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Post by brobear on Nov 14, 2019 9:27:41 GMT -5
My answer in 2013: The grizzly bear's killer paw strike has been argued for years. In my opinion, there have been far too many accounts reported ever since Euro-Americans first ventured into the American frontier. In Eurasia, the historical accounts go back even further. The data is not only from the history books, but in modern times by ranchers, hunters, hikers and campers, and by field scientists. The accounts are numbered, I would well imagine easily into the thousands. The brown bear has a broad robust body. One grizzly was measured at 4 feet in a straight line across the chest from shoulder to shoulder. Although I have seen no data, my guess is that the width across the chest of a large lion or tiger might measure approximately 1.5 feet. That hump of muscles on the shoulders of a brown bear reinforces his already awe inspiring strength. All bears have herculean strength; but the brown bear is pound for pound the strongest of bears. Because of the brown bear's broad build and his shoulder hump, even if a big cat had arms ( forelimbs ) as muscular as those of the brown bear, the bear would still be much stronger. While those shoulders give the grizzly tremendous power in digging into ( sometimes ) concrete hard ground and for overturning huge rocks and logs, those same muscles would give the grizzly a paw swipe unsurpassed by any big cat.
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Post by brobear on Nov 14, 2019 9:28:10 GMT -5
The Bear Almanac - Second Edition:
Brown bears have a hump between their shoulders that is covered with long hair and is normally a reliable means of species identification. The long hair often accentuates the hump when the hackles are raised. This distinguishing feature is a distinctive mass of muscle that provides brown bears with their exceptional digging ability and the powerful striking force of their forepaws.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jan 17, 2020 17:04:30 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 17, 2020 17:33:45 GMT -5
Oh ok ha ha ha, i see our friend found it and posted it in his forum. This account shows the damage that a polar bear's paw strike can do. We have all those accounts in that thread by the way.
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Post by King Kodiak on Jan 18, 2020 13:08:22 GMT -5
A review of upper limb injuries in bear maul victims: Consistent pattern and inverse relation in severity with facial and scalp injuries Purpose Bear maul injuries are the most common wild animal inflicted injuries in India. More than 300 bear maul injuries report to our hospital per year. Methods Twenty-one consecutive patients over a period of 1 year reported to our department for orthopaedic management of bear maul injuries. All the patients were referred either from peripheral hospitals or from other surgical departments of our hospital. Results All the patients had facial/scalp injuries of variable severity. In all the patients the severity of limb and facial trauma was inversely proportional to each other. Pattern of upper limb trauma in most of the patients was similar. Fifteen patients had either fractures of distal humerus or mid shaft/proximal forearm bone fracture. Two had distal forearm bone fracture, 2 had carpal/metacarpal fractures and 1 had clavicle fracture. Only 1 had lower limb fracture. Thirteen out of 21 patients had associated neurovascular injury of the involved limb. The characteristic feature was extensive soft tissue involvement of the affected limb. Conclusion Upper limb injuries in bear maul patients usually have similar pattern. The severity of upper limb and facial/scalp trauma is inversely proportional to each other. Multistage orthopaedic surgeries are needed for such complex limb injuries. Fig. 1. Case 1: A patient with severe upper limb injuries and milder facial/scalp injuries. A: Wound over proximal forearm (claw maks); B: X-ray showing shattered distal humerus and proximal radius fracture; C: Open reduction and internal fixation with plating, cerclage and bone grafting done; D: Square nail in situ for radius fracture; E: Wound healed (secondary intension); F and G: Healed wound and healed surgical scar with good range of motion at elbow; H:No gross facial injury (a small healed scar under left eye lid). Full report here: www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1008127517303061
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