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Post by malikc6 on Sept 19, 2020 5:58:49 GMT -5
This is why I said previously that a tiger would be more likely to flee than to actually fight this bear head on. It would take very pressuring circumstances for a tiger to dedicate an attack on a bear around the same weight and size as he. Even then it would most likely be a very carefully planned ambush.
I still remained convinced that a male tiger should defeat and consume a female brown bear of similar size more often than not... if this is to the death due to some strange scenario. Part of the reason (correct me if I'm wrong) but when male brown bears fight female brown bears, it rarely goes well for the females (unless they're defending their cubs). Males in most animal species (humans included) are stronger lb for lb than females. Testosterone, extra muscle, and bone structure makes a huge difference. I just don't think the female grizzly has enough firepower here to deal with the tiger's grappling and explosive attacks. She may indeed have more stamina, but in my opinion more often than not, she gets overtaken, killed, and eaten.
For the record, I am somewhat biased in favor of male animals over female ones with the exception of the hyena, and if the females are defending their cubs. I hope this doesn't sound immature but this fight to me reminds me of a strong, fast, slender, and agile mma fighter against a big strong woman that's a wrestler. I think the woman is tough and has chances but more often than not gets overwhelmed.
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Post by brobear on Sept 19, 2020 6:12:05 GMT -5
Actually malikc6, your post on Reply #18 makes plenty of good sense. Thus far we have TheGreenOne with a 50-50, 'Taker with a 6.5 to 7 out of 10 for the tiger, Kodiak with a 6 out of 10 for the tiger, malikc6 with a 6 out of 10 for the tiger, and my 50-50 if at weight-parity and 8 out of 10 for the tiger if going by average weights.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 19, 2020 7:08:27 GMT -5
According to Peter, a male subadult brown bear seems to be given more respect than a female brown bear by the tiger even though the size difference between a sub adult male and female bear are not too far apart.
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Post by brobear on Sept 19, 2020 8:15:00 GMT -5
According to Peter, a male subadult brown bear seems to be given more respect than a female brown bear by the tiger even though the size difference between a sub adult male and female bear are not too far apart. I wonder at what age range Peter considers a bear to be a subadult. There seems to be no clear-cut age where the cub becomes a subadult and a subadult becomes an adult. I believe that it was in the book, "Grizzly Years" where Doug Peacock referred to an eight-year-old grizzly as a subadult. He, in fact, wrote that he considers male grizzlies 10 years and up as full-grown bears. Some insight from Peter or Warsaw on this would be interesting.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 20, 2020 5:56:38 GMT -5
/\ Could you post that page here please? I would like to read it for myself too. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 11:37:04 GMT -5
I doubt this is actually true.
Animal face off estimated that tigrr would swipe at 400 and bear at 1000 pounds. That seems very low to me considering that even mma fighters have punched with more force than that.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 27, 2020 7:14:35 GMT -5
If you have watched Rocky 3 in his fight with Ivan Drago. His huge Russian opponent can punch at 2000 psi. I know it’s only a film but it seems to confirm Kassut’s post above.
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Post by theundertaker45 on Oct 5, 2020 3:23:39 GMT -5
Siberian Tiger vs Ussuri Brown Bear (Sow) - as brobear requested
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Post by brobear on Oct 5, 2020 4:19:42 GMT -5
Siberian Tiger vs Ussuri Brown Bear (Sow) - as brobear requested
Thank you 'Taker. In a fight to the death, face-to-face, and I will add the sow grizzly defending her cubs, I would give the Ussuri sow a 5 or no less than 4 out of 10 ( IMO ). No tiger is going to walk way from this fight without some battle scars worthy of bragging rights.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Oct 5, 2020 7:05:15 GMT -5
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 5, 2020 7:30:06 GMT -5
Not always. But that taller guy is really bad at fighting, you can clearly see how bad he is. Usually that much height difference would be a big advantage. Anyways, as it pertains to bears and tigers, the larger bears are not only a bit taller, but much better face to face fighters.
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Post by brobear on Oct 5, 2020 9:22:16 GMT -5
Reply #28: The male tiger would normally have a big advantage in length/height and some weight advantage too. Bad news for the she-bear. Average mature female Ussuri brown bear (5 years+) - 416.7 pounds. Average mature Amur tiger (contemporary) - 418.9 pounds. *Although; a 9+ year old she-bear should weigh roughly 440 pounds ( I would think ). I hadn't noticed this error before. *50/50 for a near-weight-parity face-off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 11:15:30 GMT -5
Bear is much superior grapler, and more durable, thats what makes it really hard for tiger to kill bear with throath bite. I believe they are roughly the same strenght, bear is more robust and has bigger shoulder hump, but tiger has less body fat and more fast twitch muscles.
This is really hard like REALLY HARD. I think its 50:50 with tiny advantage for tiger because of superior agility so I think against similar sized bear, it would be able to get that killing bite.
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Post by brobear on Oct 5, 2020 11:32:37 GMT -5
Quote: Bear is much superior grappler, and more durable, thats what makes it really hard for tiger to kill bear with throat bite. *Problem here is, a tiger always kills a bear with a bite to the base of the neck ( back of the neck ) to break its spine. A bite to the throat would be incredibly difficult. First, the tiger must go between those huge powerful arms. Second, a throat bite means to "kill by strangulation" which takes too much time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 11:48:28 GMT -5
Quote: Bear is much superior grappler, and more durable, thats what makes it really hard for tiger to kill bear with throat bite. *Problem here is, a tiger always kills a bear with a bite to the base of the neck ( back of the neck ) to break its spine. A bite to the throat would be incredibly difficult. First, the tiger must go between those huge powerful arms. Second, a throat bite means to "kill by strangulation" which takes too much time. If tiger gets the troath bite, that could make bear go in shock, not only that, but tiger would be really hard to get off once it really gets hold on the neck. This is if tiger gets the bite.
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Post by brobear on Oct 5, 2020 11:57:43 GMT -5
Quote: Bear is much superior grappler, and more durable, thats what makes it really hard for tiger to kill bear with throat bite. *Problem here is, a tiger always kills a bear with a bite to the base of the neck ( back of the neck ) to break its spine. A bite to the throat would be incredibly difficult. First, the tiger must go between those huge powerful arms. Second, a throat bite means to "kill by strangulation" which takes too much time. If tiger gets the troath bite, that could make bear go in shock, not only that, but tiger would be really hard to get off once it really gets hold on the neck. This is if tiger gets the bite. A brown bear is not going to be sitting still like a buffalo. Those arms and claws will be steadily doing damage. However, the tiger will not be going for the throat. Against a bear, the tiger *always goes for the base of the neck. The infamous Dale ( the tiger killer ) was known to have killed two adult she-bears. In both cases, the she-bears were described as being large. Weight estimates were given - but only estimates. In both cases, the she-bears were ambushed, and the bears were able to dislodge their attackers. The whole idea for the tiger is to make a quick kill. He does not relish a fight with a bear. In both cases, it is very likely that the she-bears were badly wounded from the initial ambush attack, and bleeding before any fight began. For this reason, what starts off as an ambush attack when physical contact is made, remains an ambush attack. Therefore, neither case can be classified as being a face-off.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 12:14:17 GMT -5
Yeah,thats why it would be hard fight, but at similar weight I believe that more agile And more explosive cat would win slightly more against the bear at same weight.
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Post by brobear on Oct 5, 2020 12:16:50 GMT -5
Yeah,thats why it would be hard fight, but at similar weight I believe that more agile And more explosive cat would win slightly more against the bear at same weight. *In your opinion. *Even among us bear enthusiasts, we have varied opinions on this topic. I would wager on the she-bear at weight-parity, but only because she is my favorite. I would call this a 50-50.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 12:26:38 GMT -5
Correct
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Post by brobear on Oct 5, 2020 12:37:35 GMT -5
Siberian Tiger vs Ussuri Brown Bear (Sow) would be a fight worth watching if ever caught on camera in the wild. My guess is a 50/50. In some fights, I would wager, the last beast standing would die soon after. *Edit and add: Most adult she-bears ambushed are killed quickly with the bite to the bases of the neck.
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