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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2019 4:08:00 GMT -5
Some sauropods are so big that meat eaters do not that dare attack them. Totally agree. This theory of Giganotosaurus in S. America hunting and killing full-grown Argentenosaurus is ( IMO ) buffalo chips. They likely hunted juveniles.
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Post by brobear on Nov 23, 2019 4:23:02 GMT -5
Gorilla - I learned long ago in these animal face-off debates, there are basically two opposite extremes among posters. Extreme #1- The gorilla is the true king of the jungle. A savage beast who can bend a steel bar in his bare hands. A beast who can break the neck of a lion. Extreme #2- It's a miracle that the gorilla is not extinct. He lives in fear of leopards. If faced by any predator, the gorilla is as helpless as a sheep. He is no stronger than a man. *I stand in the middle. I believe that a bull gorilla has extreme upper-body strength - possibly comparable to that of a black bear. *I believe that leopards avoid silverback gorillas just as tigers avoid mature male grizzlies. *I believe that in a face-off against a lion, the lion would be victorious roughly 9 out of 10 due to his fighting and killing experience and weaponry.
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Post by BruteStrength on Nov 24, 2019 2:29:47 GMT -5
Gorilla - I learned long ago in these animal face-off debates, there are basically two opposite extremes among posters. Extreme #1- The gorilla is the true king of the jungle. A savage beast who can bend a steel bar in his bare hands. A beast who can break the neck of a lion. Extreme #2- It's a miracle that the gorilla is not extinct. He lives in fear of leopards. If faced by any predator, the gorilla is as helpless as a sheep. He is no stronger than a man. *I stand in the middle. I believe that a bull gorilla has extreme upper-body strength - possibly comparable to that of a black bear. *I believe that leopards avoid silverback gorillas just as tigers avoid mature male grizzlies. *I believe that in a face-off against a lion, the lion would be victorious roughly 9 out of 10 due to his fighting and killing experience and weaponry. I agree with you on all of this. I do believe that a leopard can kill a gorilla though but I do believe that leopards ovoid gorillas too.
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Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2019 16:40:44 GMT -5
I agree with you on all of this. I do believe that a leopard can kill a gorilla though but I do believe that leopards ovoid gorillas to. Theoretically possible. However; there are no confirmed reports of a silverback being killed by a leopard. ( same as with tiger and mature male grizzly ).
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Post by smedz on Nov 27, 2019 22:44:12 GMT -5
I believe that in a fight a tiger will win against a gorilla 9 out of 10 times because while the gorilla is powerful, his soft skin will make him vulnerable to the claws and fangs of the tiger. Plus the tiger has the killing experience and instinct.
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Post by brobear on Nov 28, 2019 5:28:58 GMT -5
I believe that in a fight a tiger will win against a gorilla 9 out of 10 times because while the gorilla is powerful, his soft skin will make him vulnerable to the claws and fangs of the tiger. Plus the tiger has the killing experience and instinct. I agree. Against a big cat within his own weight range or bigger ( lion or tiger ) a bull gorilla has little chance of survival. ( IMO ).
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 28, 2019 5:38:48 GMT -5
I believe that in a fight a tiger will win against a gorilla 9 out of 10 times because while the gorilla is powerful, his soft skin will make him vulnerable to the claws and fangs of the tiger. Plus the tiger has the killing experience and instinct. I would not be so sure about that.
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Post by smedz on Nov 28, 2019 7:14:07 GMT -5
I believe that in a fight a tiger will win against a gorilla 9 out of 10 times because while the gorilla is powerful, his soft skin will make him vulnerable to the claws and fangs of the tiger. Plus the tiger has the killing experience and instinct. I would not be so sure about that.Why's that?
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 28, 2019 7:29:50 GMT -5
I would not be so sure about that. Why's that? The Eastern lowland gorilla (Gorilla beringei graueri) is the largest gorilla subspecies, it can reach a max weight of 550 lbs, so we can have a weight parity match up with a tiger at its higher weights. While the gorilla does have soft skin, the gorilla has very long and powerful arms that would be able to keep the tiger at a distance. Also, male gorillas can fight fiercely and inflict severe wounds with its strong canines.
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Post by smedz on Nov 28, 2019 9:28:14 GMT -5
Understandable. The max weight of a male Bengal tiger is 260 kg=573 pounds in most places. The powerful arms are useful tools, but with the injuries the tiger inflicts, resistance will be lowered and the gorilla will be thus weakened. Not only that, but big cats are pretty durable, granted not as durable as a bear, but still pretty durable. Look at some of these pictures. theworldofanimals.proboards.com/thread/175/durability-big-cats
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 28, 2019 9:34:41 GMT -5
I cant read that forum because of the ban.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 28, 2019 10:31:17 GMT -5
Well, believe it or not, and contrary to popular belief, tiger vs gorilla, in a strictly face to face fight, is alot closer than people might think. Gorilla being one of the most underrated animals makes it look like its a mismatch in favour of the tiger. I would bet my right arm that gorillas are stronger than tigers at same weight. So, just in my personal opinion, the tiger would win this match up 6/10 times.
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Post by brobear on Nov 29, 2019 2:12:31 GMT -5
Well, believe it or not, and contrary to popular belief, tiger vs gorilla, in a strictly face to face fight, is alot closer than people might think. Gorilla being one of the most underrated animals makes it look like its a mismatch in favour of the tiger. I would bet my right arm that gorillas are stronger than tigers at same weight. So, just in my personal opinion, the tiger would win this match up 6/10 times. It's all educated guesswork. IMO - the gorilla has greater upper-body strength. The great ape is not slow, but the big car is quicker. Fighting experience goes to the tiger. He knows where he wishes to clamp down with his teeth. Watching monkeys and apes fight each other; they bite randomly - an arm, a leg, on the side. The silverback gorilla has the strength to kill a tiger. The tiger knows how to kill the gorilla. It's like a kung fu master against a big strong farmboy who has never been in a serious fight.
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 29, 2019 6:31:41 GMT -5
Well, believe it or not, and contrary to popular belief, tiger vs gorilla, in a strictly face to face fight, is alot closer than people might think. Gorilla being one of the most underrated animals makes it look like its a mismatch in favour of the tiger. I would bet my right arm that gorillas are stronger than tigers at same weight. So, just in my personal opinion, the tiger would win this match up 6/10 times. It's all educated guesswork. IMO - the gorilla has greater upper-body strength. The great ape is not slow, but the big car is quicker. Fighting experience goes to the tiger. He knows where he wishes to clamp down with his teeth. Watching monkeys and apes fight each other; they bite randomly - an arm, a leg, on the side. The silverback gorilla has the strength to kill a tiger. The tiger knows how to kill the gorilla. It's like a kung fu master against a big strong farmboy who has never been in a serious fight. The tiger is quicker yes, but it has to get up close, if the gorilla grabs him, it will pound him to death, or it can bite his skull with those strong canines. Tigers are not kung fu masters because kung fu masters fight face to face, tigers barely fight face to face, only territorial fighting against other tigers, but not against other animals. The silverbacks could have been in serious fight, they fight each other sometimes to own a harem and the victor frequently kills the loser's infants as well as the loser.
books.google.com/books?id=wfGEDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT425&dq=gorillas+fight+each+other&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjtn9zyp4_mAhWs2FkKHT9lCx0Q6AEIPzAE
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Post by brobear on Nov 29, 2019 6:55:58 GMT -5
By kung fu master; when tigers fight each other - which is face-to-face. This usually begins as a slap-fight with each slap drawing blood. Once the two cats connect, all four clawed paws are used. Their most lethal weapons however, are their powerful jaws and long canine teeth. A tiger comes just short of being a scimitar cat. Granted, a gorilla has ( probably ) greater upper-body strength and stronger jaws. He also has some impressive canine teeth. But in this fight we disagree - which is fine considering that we are both guessing. The only large predator within a gorilla's domain is the leopard. As for the Pleistocene African Congo.... I have sought answers?
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Post by King Kodiak on Nov 29, 2019 7:05:13 GMT -5
Well we agree on who would win most fights, which is the tiger. We just dont agree on the numbers, you say its 9/10 for the tiger, and i say is 6/10 for the tiger. So we agree on 50% of this topic.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 2, 2019 22:04:42 GMT -5
The cougar has more powerful limbs than a leopard and is just as capable of killing large prey. A cougar is also more willing to engage other predators (an rare of a cougar killing a female black bear by ambush after being displaced from a carcass by the latter whereas there are no records of leopards killing bears).
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Post by brobear on Dec 3, 2019 2:34:50 GMT -5
The cougar has more powerful limbs than a leopard and is just as capable of killing large prey. A cougar is also more willing to engage other predators (an rare of a cougar killing a female black bear by ambush after being displaced from a carcass by the latter whereas there are no records of leopards killing bears). A mustang is slightly larger than a zebra. Leopards have been known to kill zebra; but not often. He prefers smaller prey. Horses, either feral or domestic, were a favorite prey choice for the cougar. One paleontologist once stated that the cougar possibly played a role in the extinction of the American horse.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Dec 3, 2019 22:41:47 GMT -5
Felines and birds of prey are among the best and most successful extant hunters. Both are capable of killing larger prey than themselves.
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Post by brobear on Dec 11, 2019 2:39:34 GMT -5
Years ago ( decades actually ), while doing some thinking, I came to the conclusion that humans of the late Pleistocene were probably the smartest that man-kind has ever been. Smarter than modern man. Why? Because he had to figure things out. No books. No kept records. No matches. No steel blade. He has to do everything on-his-own, in a very extreme environment. Just a few years back; my theory was proven correct... by studies done by anthropologists. My new theory: This computer-age will set man-kind back in terms of intelligence. With information at our fingertips, we use our brains less.
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