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Post by smedz on Jun 2, 2019 9:50:31 GMT -5
Paleontology, the study of extinct organisms that lived millions of years ago. Cryptozoology, the study of animals whose existence has been suggested, but not proven. Both are interesting topics, and cross paths quite often. A while back, I asked myself this question. Which would win in a battle between an extinct animal and a cryptid. Feel free to make suggestions, I'll list the ideas I've got down below.
1. Arctodus vs Bigfoot a.k.a Sasquatch or whatever you want to call it.
2. Jersey Devil vs American Lion
3. Homo floresiensis vs Phantom "Panther"
4. El Chupacabra (the bipedal one, not the hairless dog) vs Deinonychus
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Post by tom on Jun 2, 2019 16:10:11 GMT -5
Megalodon vs Loch Ness Monster
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Post by tom on Jun 2, 2019 16:11:36 GMT -5
Paleontology, the study of extinct organisms that lived millions of years ago. Cryptozoology, the study of animals whose existence has been suggested, but not proven. Both are interesting topics, and cross paths quite often. A while back, I asked myself this question. Which would win in a battle between an extinct animal and a cryptid. Feel free to make suggestions, I'll list the ideas I've got down below. 1. Arctodus vs Bigfoot a.k.a Sasquatch or whatever you want to call it. I don't think there's any question as to this one. Arctodus would destroy Bigfoot.2. Jersey Devil vs American Lion : American Lion hands down.3. Homo floresiensis vs Phantom "Panther" 4. El Chupacabra (the bipedal one, not the hairless dog) vs Deinonychus
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 7:57:04 GMT -5
What about Asiatic black bear vs Nandi bear?
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Post by smedz on Jun 3, 2019 8:39:07 GMT -5
The Asiatic Black Bear is a formidable opponent, even tigers give them a wide berth, but they're still in existence, thank heaven. From what I could gather from the Unknown Explorers site, it's about the size of a large lion, so an animal of similar size would be a good match.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 9:30:42 GMT -5
Megalodon vs Loch Ness Monster Loch Ness Monster is usually described as a living Plesiosaur. Even the largest Plesiosaur does not weigh over 20 tonnes. For example, McHenry (2009) estimated the mass of Kronosaurus at a 'mere' 11 tonnes. So yeah, the Meg would probably mistake the Loch Ness Monster as an odd-looking seal...
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Post by tom on Jun 3, 2019 11:21:08 GMT -5
Megalodon vs Loch Ness Monster Loch Ness Monster is usually described as a living Plesiosaur. Even the largest Plesiosaur does not weigh over 20 tonnes. For example, McHenry (2009) estimated the mass of Kronosaurus at a 'mere' 11 tonnes. So yeah, the Meg would probably mistake the Loch Ness Monster as an odd-looking seal... There's been some skepticism that has been brought up concerning Lock Ness Monster being a living Plesiosaur.From wikipedia:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 21:18:41 GMT -5
There's been some skepticism that has been brought up concerning Lock Ness Monster being a living Plesiosaur. I agree with what you said, i personally think it's more of a hoax than anything else. But my point is, in order for this cryptic here to have a face-off with other real animals, we'll have to 'assign' it to some real animals that we know, otherwise we don't have anything to debate and no grounds to make comparison from. It's like we usually consider Big foot as some sorts of primates, so we can visualise what it can and cannot do against a match-up against Arctodus, who is a Bear. I just went with the popular Plesiosaur depiction of the Nessie that people will usually think of whenever the word 'Loch Ness Monster' is mentioned. By doing so, we can actually have something to compare it to the Meg. I hope my point is clear now.
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Post by smedz on Jun 6, 2019 12:44:08 GMT -5
Arctodus vs Bigfoot For this showdown, I declare the winner to be Arctodus. I'll explain why. One reason is durability. Bears have proven to be pretty durable over the years, primates on the other hand have soft skin, which doesn't hold up well against sharp objects, and there's no reason a bigfoot would be any different, and the soft skin really isn't going to hold up well against the bone-cracking jaws of the bear. Another reason could be aggression. Bigfoots are normally forest critters from the sounds of it, and has a different lifestlye than Arctodus had, which was taking kills from other carnivores, which would have required some aggression, the lifestyle of bigfoot does not sound to require as much aggression.
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Post by smedz on Jul 22, 2019 20:33:30 GMT -5
Got some new battles.
Yeti vs Daeodon
Yowie (Australian Bigfoot up to 12 ft tall) vs Eurasian Cave Lion
Mothman vs Utahraptor
Smilodon Populator vs Beast of Bray Road (weight of Bray Road beast up to 700 lbs according to witnesses)
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 22, 2019 21:18:43 GMT -5
I will be waiting. Don't forget to include werebear vs werewolf vs vampire elder vs were cat.
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Post by smedz on Jul 22, 2019 21:21:17 GMT -5
I don't think werebears and werecats are actual cryptids.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 22, 2019 21:30:38 GMT -5
No worries, what about setting up a cryptic battle Royale?
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Post by smedz on Jul 22, 2019 21:47:24 GMT -5
No worries, what about setting up a cryptic battle Royale? Yes let's do that! Here are the cryptids. 5 Jersey Devil's 3 bigfoot's 20 chupacabras (the Puerto Rican ones, not the hairless canids) 4 Mokele-mbembes 7 Burrunjors (make them similar in size to the Mokele-mbembes)
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 22, 2019 22:30:28 GMT -5
I will let you do the battle royale analysis since you are better in cryptozoology than me.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Jul 23, 2019 3:24:45 GMT -5
No worries, what about setting up a cryptic battle Royale? Yes let's do that! Here are the cryptids. 5 Jersey Devil's 3 bigfoot's 20 chupacabras (the Puerto Rican ones, not the hairless canids) 4 Mokele-mbembes 7 Burrunjors (make them similar in size to the Mokele-mbembes) On the other hand I would like to add some extinct animals (only) to make it a little more fun: 5 Cave bears 5 smilodon populators 5 klekens 5 Brontornis 5 Arctodus
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 2, 2019 1:50:22 GMT -5
I will do my analysis on the battle royale above later. All battle royales involving Yetis and bigfoots will be done on this thread from now on.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 2, 2019 4:29:48 GMT -5
Twenty predators wearing only wrist blades and their masks, twenty poachers with guns, and twenty gladiators carrying sword and shield are included.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Aug 2, 2019 7:06:19 GMT -5
The original earth is the domain of Green Light Bearer/Evil Black Death. Artos H Verde became the leader of the battle Royale after killing the predator elder and drinking its free blood. Subsequently, the whole earth became one battle Royale arena where cryptic, animals, and humans are pitted against each other. The fight begins: One mokele whips a few cupacabras with its tail killing them from internal injury. A predator cuts off the head of the moleke with its wrist blade. The Jersey devils carry up a gladiator each in the sky but were shot down by poachers and mauled to death by cave bears.The second predator slashes a few more cupacabras to death. The klekens attack and kill a few poachers but were shot to death by the poachers. The brontornis and smilodons faced each other but were interrupted by the gladiators. A cave bear attacked a smilodon and an arctodus killed a brontornis. The Burrunjar theropods ambushed the rest of the brontornis while the three smilodons gang up on an arctodus. The cave bears kill the remaining arctodus. A moleke whip at one smilodon with its tail killing the sabre toothed cat. The Las two smilodons ran too close to the cave bears and were killed. The poachers shot a moleke to death and the theropod like Berrunjar killed the remaining molekes. The predators kill the remaining Berrunjar. A cave bear ambushed and killed a predator drinking its free blood. The cave bear killed a gladiator as it was facing another cave bear. The remaining cave bears killed some of the poachers while the predators killed the rest. One bigfoot held down a predator and another bigfoot rip off its head. The third bigfoot threw a rock at a predator and another rock at a gladiator. A cave bear killed the same bigfoot after brawling with it. The two bigfoots killed the remaining poachers and gladiators but were killed by cave bears. The predators gang up on the cave bears. However, they forgot the last cave bear which turned into an incredible cave bear and began to kill a few of the predators. Only by the combined effort of three predators was the green incredible cave bear defeated. Winner: 10 predators.
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Post by smedz on Aug 2, 2019 10:33:16 GMT -5
Smilodon Populator vs Beast of Bray Road
Ah, the old classic hatred between cats and dogs. This one has been a doozy to figure out. But I think I might have done it. There are 3 questions that needed to be answered for this match.
Which is heavier? Which is stronger? Which would be more aggressive?
The first questions to be answered which would be stronger. When it comes to bite force, the dogman will have the advantage as the bite force of Smilodon was weak, and the canines were fragile. But which has stronger forelimbs? The answer probably lies with how both hunt/hunted large prey.
Smilodon hunted like this. It would track down prey, crouch to the ground, stalk it to get really close to the prey, then charge, leap onto the animal, then it would use the powerful muscles in it's forelimbs and back to wrestle the animal to the ground since it couldn't use the canines to get the prey down on the ground as they would break (doesn't mean they never tried to). A dogman is said to bring down animals 1,200 lbs if I recall correctly, and I imagine they would kill prey in a similar way to a lion, I say imagine because nobody has seen these things hunt. Looking at both hunting styles, it would make more sense for Smilodon to have the stronger forelimbs.
Now for the second question, which would be heavier on average? Weight estimates for Smilodon Populator put it at 400 kg (882 lbs), this is the only weight estimate I could find for this species. Witnesses describe these dogmen to be 400-700 lbs. I doubt 400 kg was average for Smilodon, so which would be heavier on average? As we know, muscle weighs more than fat, and if you're stronger, that means you either have more muscles or bigger muscles, and therefore, you're likely heavier. The muscles, including the latissimus dorsi in a Smilodon were big, as they needed that strength to take down big prey in case they were on their own. So I think it's safe to say a Smilodon on average was heavier than a dogman.
As for which would be more aggressive, dogmen have been reported to chase after cars, make people fear for their lives, and some Smilodon skulls have puncture holes in them, and two skulls were found stuck together because of that, so these cats were vicious fighters. Both were/are aggressive, but I lean towards the cat being more aggressive as the dogman does not appear to be very aggressive towards much smaller gray wolves, as there no signs of any population decreases due to dogmen.
In conclusion, I declare Smilodon Populator to be the winner.
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