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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 13, 2019 17:21:58 GMT -5
I know this has been posted in this forum before, but this video belongs in this thead. Bear taking down full grown boar.
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Post by brobear on Feb 13, 2019 17:56:50 GMT -5
I wish that the people who film these events were not so damn ignorant. Kodiak; your chart confirms what I read in some of the historical grizzly books. We now know that brown bears have a strong liking for pork ( pig meat ) and a strong dislike for potatoes.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 13, 2019 19:31:42 GMT -5
I wish that the people who film these events were not so damn ignorant. Kodiak; your chart confirms what I read in some of the historical grizzly books. We now know that brown bears have a strong liking for pork ( pig meat ) and a strong dislike for potatoes. I am surprised about how much boar, did not think it was that much.
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 13, 2019 20:35:05 GMT -5
BROBEAR: YOU WERE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.
BEARS, GRIZZLY OR BLACK ARE PROVERBIALLY FOND OF PORK AND THE BIG ONES OF CALIFORNIA DEMOSTRATED THIS FREQUENTLY.
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Post by brobear on Feb 14, 2019 2:26:30 GMT -5
Great find Kodiak - point proven. The two largest land-based omnivores are natural enemies. shaggygod.proboards.com/ Found by Warsaw: Rakov, N.V. (1970) Causes of mortality of the wild boar and its interrelation with predators in the Amur territory. Zoologicheskii Zhurnal "In years of crop failure, brown bears are well adapted to the hunt wild boars. Bears do kill boar of all ages and classes.(Including adult and prime male wild boar)"
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Post by King Kodiak on Feb 14, 2019 5:29:45 GMT -5
Great find Kodiak - point proven. The two largest land-based omnivores are natural enemies. shaggygod.proboards.com/ Found by Warsaw: Rakov, N.V. (1970) Causes of mortality of the wild boar and its interrelation with predators in the Amur territory. Zoologicheskii Zhurnal "In years of crop failure, brown bears are well adapted to the hunt wild boars. Bears do kill boar of all ages and classes.(Including adult and prime male wild boar)" Thanks. According to all this data and the charts, its clear that bears dominate wild boars.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 4:29:49 GMT -5
By Wolverine: (01-14-2018, 09:43 AM)brotherbear Wrote: Thank you Wolverine. I have watched that old video so many times! My take: One killing strategy of a grizzly is to wear down his prey or opponent until it is completely exhausted. Then, he can take his time in the actual killing which is often, as is in this case, a bite to the spine. Too bad this event was not filmed by naturalists instead of a truckload of Russian red-necks.
Despite the brown bear and the male wild boar with similar body mass are probably almost equal in physical power its obvious that bear is much more enduring, sturdy and capable to exhaust the boar. The bear is like an energiser, for boar is easier to get tired. Endurance is probably one of the main advantages of brown bear to majority of other animals including cats. Thick lyers of fat also protect brown bear from sharp canine teeth of the boar, sometimes in Eastern Europe hunters kill a bears with broken boar's canine teeth in their bodies without being inflicted any life-threatening consiquenses. And of course the bear is smarter. The boar is braver, exactly when wounded doesn't know any fear.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 4:31:56 GMT -5
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S207815201630027XBehavior of Brown Bears During Feeding in the Sikhote-Alin Open Access funded by Far Eastern Federal University Predation on Ungulates Predation on the ungulates is a trait of ecology of brown bears typical for different areas of the species range (Bromlei, 1965, Semyonov-Tyan-Shansky, 1979, Zavatsky, 1979, Lavov, 1987, Pazhetnov, 1990 and Bobyr, 1991). The extent and nature of predation vary with the seasons. In most cases, this method of feeding behavior is of the greatest importance for bears in the spring (Pazhetnov, 1990). This statement is typical for brown bears in Sikhote-Alin (Bromlei, 1965, Yudakov and Nikolaev, 1987, Yudin, 1993 and Kostoglod, 2006). In summer there is a decline of predation related to the abundance of feed (Bromlei, 1965). In autumn with the abundance of fattening feed of vegetable origin predation is not expressed, but during hungry years it is on the contrary typically occurring among bears (Bromlei, 1965, Rakov, 1966 and Abramov, 1972). Wild boar and red deer (Cervus elaphus) are the most common ungulate prey of brown bears in Sikhote-Alin.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 4:33:15 GMT -5
Wolverine: During childhood I red one curious hunting story from Bulgaria, probably there is some fantasy there, but maybe in same time the story was based on a real case. Its happen that that on narrow game trail in the forest a brown bear and a huge male wild boar ran into each other. Both animals were surprised and nobody wanted to withdrow from the trail first, the tention started to increase. Suddenly the bear noticed a branch above its head and climbed on it, leaving the boar opportunity to pass the trail beneath. Than that scenario start to repeat almost every day for many weeks, both the bear and wild boar strangely liked to do same weird ritual. Sometimes even the bear waited the boar above the same tree for a hour and than climbed to the branch kinda playng with the huge boar. But one day a tragedy happened. Branch suddenly crashed and the bear fell exactly on the head of the boar... Both animals were shocked, suddenly became very aggressive to each other and a mortal fight began. The bear killed the boar but the boar succeeded to penetrate with his sharp canine teeth the bear's abdominal aria and it also died not long after that later found by hunters... Don't know how this old story from the hunting novel is true, but in generally bears are enough smart animals and probably sometimes could be in "playing mood" with other animals.
In general brown bears of course have a weight advantage to the boar. As long as I know the largest both brown bears and wild boars in Europe live in Carphatian mountains in Romanian Transilvania (also known as a "Draculla-land") with average weight of adult male Carphatian brown bear at 260 kg and average weight of adult male Carpathian wild boar of about 110-130 kg if I am not wrong. So that is 2,3 times advantage of the body mass... and such a struggle would not be very fear. But in case a boar is huge (the record for Romania is 275 kg) and equal to the bear's mass he could be formidable adversary. I don't think that a wild boar could kill a brown bear, but for sure sometimes boars inflict a wounds on the bears trying to hunt them, and the prove of this is that sometimes the hunters discover a broken boar's canine teeth in bear's flash.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 4:34:58 GMT -5
Brobear: My father-in-law had a big Herford bull that was very playful. He had cows and hogs. One day his bull got playful with a boar hog. The hog cut the bull's face causing the bull to bleed to death. Being around domestic hogs, I know that it is possible for a big hog to kill a bear or even a tiger. The predator likely, I would think, win more often, but there is no doubt that wild boars are formidable adversaries. As for a grizzly being playful, the bear and the wolf comes to mind. Can't remember what country they live, but their pictures are popular.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 4:47:01 GMT -5
Polar to Wolverine: Interesting, and they do have medium-sized boars and bears (but super rare) in the native mountains in the west of the country. I'm from Bulgaria and never heard of that myself lol! Thanks for sharing. Wolverine: There are from 600 to 800 brown bears in Bulgaria, mainly in major mountain arias and lot of wild boars everywhere. But the largest brown bear population in European Union is in neighbouring Romania - 4300 bears and also 3000 timber wolves and 2000 lynx - in Romania live 50% of all big predators in Europe (excluding Russia). They inhabit mainly the huge endless forests of Transylvania covering 80 000 sq. km. Both brown bears and boars in Romania belong to large subspecies. wildcarpathiaadventure.ro/en/tur/...arnivores/
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 4:48:15 GMT -5
Sloth bear and wild boar. I doubt this is much of a predatory event but more of a territorial one but I'm sure the bear wouldn't turn down an easy meal if it could catch one.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 7, 2019 5:58:50 GMT -5
That is the first time i see a picture of an interaction between a sloth bear and a wild boar. I agree that its not a predatory try.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 6:04:01 GMT -5
That is the first time i see a picture of an interaction between a sloth bear and a wild boar. I agree that its not a predatory try.
It might be from a sloth bear documentary I saw once not so many years ago. If so, the wild boars are feeding ( I think ) on acorns. When I first saw this, I was surprised that the pack of wild boar quickly retreated at the arrival of the bear. The sloth bear was after the wild hog's dinner.
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Post by King Kodiak on Mar 7, 2019 6:20:56 GMT -5
That is the first time i see a picture of an interaction between a sloth bear and a wild boar. I agree that its not a predatory try.
It might be from a sloth bear documentary I saw once not so many years ago. If so, the wild boars are feeding ( I think ) on acorns. When I first saw this, I was surprised that the pack of wild boar quickly retreated at the arrival of the bear. The sloth bear was after the wild hog's dinner. Really wow, am also surprised the the sloth bear even went after the hog’s food, much more a pack. That is usually not the behavior of a sloth bear, its much more a defender than an attacker. Must have been real hungry.
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Post by brobear on Mar 7, 2019 6:37:16 GMT -5
Well, it wasn't attacking. I would suppose that, over the last one-million years or so that these too greatest of the omnivores have shared the same environments, that they simply know each other well enough to know that a bunch of acorns is not worth a really bloody fight. It was obvious that the wild boar knows where he stands in such a confrontation.
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Post by BruteStrength on Mar 8, 2019 6:24:42 GMT -5
A boar know better than to attack a large male adult grizzly.
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Post by brobear on Mar 8, 2019 7:06:06 GMT -5
A boar know better than to attack a large male adult grizzly. In Russia, it is the grizzly who stalks the wild boar. Where the are both hog's and grizzlies, the bear feeds on pork
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 8:26:01 GMT -5
True where bear and suide coexist, bear will always end up the predator and the latter will be prey.
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Post by brobear on Mar 21, 2019 5:14:30 GMT -5
The Bear and the Boar, the worlds largest omnivores.
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