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Post by brobear on Sept 7, 2018 16:28:52 GMT -5
Kodiak grizzly vs polar bear. Pure speculation as this fight has never ( to my knowledge ) taken place. I would bet my bank account on the grizzly of the Kodiak Islands while I'm sure that Polar ( equally as confident ) would bet heavily on the polar bear. Both wear the golden crown of "King of the Bears" and rule each on his own turf.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 7, 2018 16:50:23 GMT -5
Thats a nice polar Tom.
i think an adult kodiak beats an adult polar, both are same weight basically, but the kodiak is more robust, and stronger due to the large shoulder hump. If the fight takes place in the artic, i think its 50%, the cold would affect the kodiak, polars are the king of the artic. but on kodiak island, kodiak would win 7/8 out of 10.
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Post by brobear on Sept 7, 2018 17:01:33 GMT -5
A grizzly can handle the cold. I believe that the Kodiak would win due to his superior upper-body strength ( more massive skull, neck, and shoulders ). And, as you stated Kodiak... that shoulder hump which reinforces his awesome upper-body strength ( like Thor's belt of strength ).
On the other hand, Polar says that a polar bear has more massive arms. I'm not sure about this as I have seen no data on a comparison. But yes, I will bet my kingdom on the Kodiak grizzly.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 7, 2018 17:18:02 GMT -5
We agree. But we are talking about artic freezing cold of -60 and -70
Not just any cold. You think a brown bear can handle that?
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Post by brobear on Sept 8, 2018 3:09:10 GMT -5
Long ago, perhaps 200,000 years ago, right about the time of the birth of Homo sapien, a group of grizzlies migrated far to the north. Evidently, they somehow became stranded there and learned to hunt seals and walrus. The grizzly is the ancestor of the polar bear. Even in recent times ( very rare indeed ) a grizzly can be found out on the ice flows hunting seals.
I do agree however that there has to be a limit. The modern polar bear is far better equipped for his environment.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 8, 2018 7:33:56 GMT -5
I see. Well lets just leave it like this....
Kodiak is the king of kodiak island.
Grizzly is the king of Yellowstone and the forest.
Polar is the king of the Artic.
Ussuri brown bear is the king of Siberia.
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Post by brobear on Sept 8, 2018 8:27:59 GMT -5
I agree with no small number of biologists who consider the polar bear as pretty-much a subspecies of grizzly. In any respect, no brown bear family tree is complete without the polar bear. I feel that the polar bear's scientific name should read: Ursus arctos maritimus. Just like with other grizzly populations, when brown bears of one population comes into contact with other populations, mixed-offspring are born.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 9, 2018 17:41:01 GMT -5
THIS IS THE KING OF THE BEARS HERE BABY. KODIAK BEAR IS HEAVY MACHINE, BEST OF THE LAND.  |
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 9, 2018 17:43:37 GMT -5
THIS IS THE KING OF THE BEARS HERE BABY. KODIAK BEAR IS HEAVY MACHINE, BEST OF THE LAND.  |
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Post by brobear on Sept 11, 2018 16:05:04 GMT -5
In all sincere honesty; I consider the grizzly ( Ursus arctos ) as THE KING of BEARS.
Why? Because he is a super-survivor. If not for the grizzly's remarkable adaptation ability, the polar bear would have never existed. In Ice-Age Europe, when the cave hyena, the cave lion, and the cave bear all vanished; the grizzly remained. In Ice-Age N. America, the grizzly remains while the dire wolf, the giant cheetah, the giant jaguar, the scimitar cat, the saber-toothed-cat, the American lion, the Florida cave bear, and the giant short-faced bear all vanished.
Even in the Russian taiga where lives wild boar, wolves, leopards, and even tigers, the full-grown grizzly boar walks without fear. He is KING.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 11, 2018 16:10:58 GMT -5
Yeah i love grizzlies also. But you have to decide because although commonly refered to as “grizzly “ bear, the Ussuri brown bear is officially a different subspecies than the north american grizzly bear.
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Post by brobear on Sept 11, 2018 16:20:30 GMT -5
Yeah i love grizzlies also. But you have to decide because although commonly refered to as “grizzly “ bear, the Ussuri brown bear is officially a different subspecies than the north american grizzly bear. The true "grizzly" is of course Ursus arctos horribilis. However, especially here in N. America, the term "grizzly" has become accepted for any and all brown bears ( Ursus arctos ). Now we see on book covers titles such as Kodoak grizzlies, Gobi grizzlies, and so on. They are all the same species. I prefer Grizzly over Brown Bear for a number of reasons. Not every grizzly is brown and some black bears are brown. Also, since a tiger is not called "Striped Cat", the Cheetah is not called "Spotted Cat", and the lion is not called "Maned Cat", why shouldn't the brown bear have a more personal name such as GRIZZLY? |
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 11, 2018 16:28:30 GMT -5
Yeah i see what you are saying. I noticed you call all the brown bear subspecies “grizzlies” . You want to give it like a personal name.
Cool.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 18:17:26 GMT -5
Yeah i see what you are saying. I noticed you call all the brown bear subspecies “grizzlies” . You want to give it like a personal name. Cool. I think it's cool to call all brown bears grizzlies too. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 18:18:52 GMT -5
In all sincere honesty; I consider the grizzly ( Ursus arctos ) as THE KING of BEARS. Why? Because he is a super-survivor. If not for the grizzly's remarkable adaptation ability, the polar bear would have never existed. In Ice-Age Europe, when the cave hyena, the cave lion, and the cave bear all vanished; the grizzly remained. In Ice-Age N. America, the grizzly remains while the dire wolf, the giant cheetah, the giant jaguar, the scimitar cat, the saber-toothed-cat, the American lion, the Florida cave bear, and the giant short-faced bear all vanished. Even in the Russian taiga where lives wild boar, wolves, leopards, and even tigers, the full-grown grizzly boar walks without fear. He is KING. I never knew that grizzlies lived with cave hyenas. That's pretty cool. |
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 11, 2018 19:29:34 GMT -5
Yeah i see what you are saying. I noticed you call all the brown bear subspecies “grizzlies” . You want to give it like a personal name. Cool. I think it's cool to call all brown bears grizzlies too. I also think its cool. I was just saying to give the exact name so we know exactly what subspecie of brown bear he talks about. |
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Post by brobear on Sept 16, 2018 3:40:12 GMT -5
The greatest weight recorded for a Kodiak bear in the wild is 1656 lb 751 kg for a male shot at English Bay. The source is credible but I have yet to confirm the information but purportedly in 1983 on Kodiak Island a bear was immobilized and weighed in at an outstanding 870 kg! 870 kilograms is equal to 1,918.02 pounds (avoirdupois) 751 kilograms is equal to 1,655.67 pounds (avoirdupois) The 1983 record tops the 1956 record by 262.35 pounds ( 119.45 kg ). The bad news is, so few are actually weighed. www.answers.com/Q/The_Bismarck_zoo_in_ND_had_a_Kodiak_bear_named_Clyde_how_big_was_he In captivity, Kodiak bears can become even heavier than in the wild. The largest known Kodiak bear lived at the Dakota Zoo in Bismarck, North Dakota. Named Clyde, he weighed 2130 pounds when he died in June 1987 at the age of 22. According to zoo director Terry Lincoln, Clyde probably weighed close to 2400 a year earlier He still had a fat layer of 9 inches when he died. |
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Post by brobear on Sept 16, 2018 3:59:54 GMT -5
Polar bears in the wild consume tons of seal blubber, walrus blubber, and whale blubber. No zoo bear was ever fed a fattier diet! Therefore it is completely fair to compare zoo-raised grizzlies with wild polar bears. Its all about SIZE POTENTIAL. It appears to me that the biggest of the grizzlies, the Kodiak bear has equally the size potential of the polar bear.
I also stand on my belief that the polar bear ( which through the centuries ) has been inter-breeding with inland grizzlies, is nothing more than a grizzly so well adapted to a strikingly different environment, that he no longer looks like a grizzly. The polar bear is an ice-walking sea-going grizzly which should be renamed - Ursus arctos maritimus.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 16, 2018 4:58:36 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Sept 16, 2018 5:04:30 GMT -5
Good find Kodiak.
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