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Post by Montezuma on Jun 24, 2023 22:00:12 GMT -5
Lets just compare that email to this: domainofthebears.proboards.com/post/63325Who gave more details of that bear? M.P. Milezhik or Yuri? Did yuri told the true age, name or any other unguessed detail abou that bear? No, but Milezhik did as he told that the bear was a "3 year old male brown bear (sub-adult) called Kosolapy". And he is more reliable than yuri since he is a true biologist.
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Post by arctozilla on Jun 25, 2023 0:56:40 GMT -5
That's what I was saying Yuri is a park ranger, meaning he's out of the count when it comes to examinations. Mizhaek is a true biologist on other hand.
So claim from a biologist>>>>>>>>claim from a park ranger
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Post by Everyday on Jul 31, 2023 7:04:32 GMT -5
Quote; "A poster named 'goodhope683' contacted the forest inspector Yuri Kya (the man who found the killed male brown bear's carcass, measured its paw width and examined the kill-site) and specifically asked him if the tiger did in fact kill an adult male brown bear and if the bear's paw width was measured correctly." Sorry, I did not understand from this post, what exactly did Yuri Kya answer? Did he answer the question asked by "poster named goodhope683"?
Of course, Yuri Kya is not a biologist and his information is of limited reliability, but it is good to know his words, as he is probably responsible for the original news in the media.
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Post by Montezuma on Aug 2, 2023 17:54:11 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum Everyday. Your question is good amd i will tell you if i see.
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Post by brobear on Nov 6, 2023 2:45:08 GMT -5
Carnival; S.T. vs U.B.B. #4795. Warsaw brings up some interesting points.
The frozen bear carcass is snow covered. The bear and tiger tracks are not. Besides other scavengers, there was both a tiger and another bear. Perhaps the other brown bear had killed this smaller bear. Quote: "So ,body of the bear has been sent for examination to determine the cause of death?Of course not." ______________________________________ Posted by Apex Titan (desperate fanboy) ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION #2650.
Credits to poster 'goodhope683' for contacting biologist Sergey Kolchin.
This is for the bear-posters who claim that this incident is not confirmed by biologists. By the way, a biologist doesn't need to "confirm" this account to be true anyway, they're not the authorities in this case, the forest guards and rangers are. They're the one's who found the killed bear and examined the place! They found clear traces of a fight between the tiger and brown bear. ___________________________________________________________
Q: Hello, sir. You are an expert on bears, and in Russia, I want to ask whether it is true that brown bears were killed and eaten by tigers. Thank you, sir.
Sergey Kolchin: Hello. Yes, it's true. Why not? This is a common prey for adult male tiger. Bear was not so bigger.
Q: Oh! Thank you for your reply! thank you! This bear has a front palm pad width of 18 cm. Is he an adult?
Sergey Kolchin: I'm not sure that the size of the paw is determined correctly. 18 cm is a big male. but the bear didn't look like that. _______________________________________
Q- Is it true that brown bears are killed and eaten by tigers? A- Yes; sloth bears, moon bears, adolescent brown bears, and brown she-bears are sometimes ambushed and killed. Q- This bear has a front palm pad of 18 cm.... A- 18 cm is a big male. but the bear didn't look like that. (the bear tracks were not from the dead snow-covered bear). ________________________________________________ Montezuma: Translation of M.P. Milezhik's email from DeepL:
"Hello! The bear's name was Misha, nicknamed "Kosolapy", about 3 years old. The subspecies is brown. The tiger was not harmed in the battle. M.P. Milezhik, head of the patrol."
Sincerely,
Bolshekhetsirsky Branch of FSBI
"Priamur'e Reserved (4212) 491869 - accounting department
(4212) 491872 - General Department
Note that there is a huge difference between DeepL's and Google Translator's translation. The bear's nickname "Kosolapy" wasn't see in GT's translation. So here is another proof that this bear was well known to scientist and was 3 years old. And, from now on, i suggest everyone to use DeepL only.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 7, 2023 1:49:36 GMT -5
So I talked to my Russian team leader at work today. He said he had been in the military for 5 years and had seen both the Ussuri brown bear and Siberian tiger in conflict, the former winning 6/10. He said it is hard to view Russian wildlife as Russia does not want to reveal their animals to potential 'threats.' Like if another nation attacks Russia, their animals would likely be targeted and they value their wildlife (bears and tigers) like pets.
Although he said the male brown bear will usually win, tigers can kill brown bears larger than themselves with enough experience and that brown bears that consume more meat will be more aggressive than these that consume less meat. I am not expecting anyone to agree with everything but that is what he told me.
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Post by brobear on Nov 7, 2023 2:12:59 GMT -5
So I talked to my Russian team leader at work today. He said he had been in the military for 5 years and had seen both the Ussuri brown bear and Siberian tiger in conflict, the former winning 6/10. He said it is hard to view Russian wildlife as Russia does not want to reveal their animals to potential 'threats.' Like if another nation attacks Russia, their animals would likely be targeted and they value their wildlife (bears and tigers) like pets. Although he said the male brown bear will usually win, tigers can kill brown bears larger than themselves with enough experience and that brown bears that consume more meat will be more aggressive than these that consume less meat. I am not expecting anyone to agree with everything but that is what he told me. Yes, your friend is talking about the Ussuri brown bear, but what he says goes along with the American grizzly as well. Doug Peacock told of a grizzly in Montana that would walk past an elk carcass, preferring to kill his own. He explained that the more predatory bears were the more aggressive bears, thus most likely to get into trouble with humans. Through the centuries, especially after the invention of the breech-load rifle, humans have been illuminating these most predatory brown bears; culling them from the grizzly population. The books I've read about the historic grizzly confirms this. I feel certain that the same holds true for the Ussuri brown bear (black grizzly).
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 7, 2023 6:10:40 GMT -5
/\ In addition he said that Russians seldom air their wildlife on tv as they use the Tiaga as a place for them to train that is why it is very hard to find these two animals interacting with each other.
I too am not sure if he actually saw the conflict. Will try to ask him more if I can catch hold of him tomorrow.
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Post by brobear on Nov 9, 2023 3:45:54 GMT -5
/\ In addition he said that Russians seldom air their wildlife on tv as they use the Tiaga as a place for them to train that is why it is very hard to find these two animals interacting with each other. I too am not sure if he actually saw the conflict. Will try to ask him more if I can catch hold of him tomorrow. Here is the problem I have with that. Professional field biologists who spend long months studying Amur tigers, will often never actually see a living wild tiger, but only footprints and droppings. For someone to witness even one actual confrontation between a tiger and an adult male brown bear would be miraculous. Sysoev had claimed to have witnessed three fights - I seriously doubt the validity of this claim.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 9, 2023 6:00:44 GMT -5
/\ I manage to ask him some questions about videos but sadly all he could show me were the videos we had seen before. He claims to have had brown bears in his backyard. Hope he is not trolling.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 9, 2023 6:02:16 GMT -5
That is right, spotting an actual interaction is hard but it is also possible. Russian people do use the forest to train their soilders so it might be possible. I am hoping for an actual video leak one day.
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Post by brobear on Nov 9, 2023 7:52:14 GMT -5
It's not hard to believe that your friend saw a bear (black or brown) in his yard if he lives in bear-country. Seeing a tiger would be a rare sight. Seeing a tiger and a bear fighting is like seeing a U.F.O. landed in your back yard with aliens hand-feeding Bigfoot. I believe that, in those very rare tales of an eye-witness observing a tiger and brown bear fighting, if they're not lying, saw a tiger fighting with an adolescent, sub-adult, or a she-bear.
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Post by arctozilla on Feb 8, 2024 3:52:36 GMT -5
So ML believe that park rangers valued more than actual biologists because they said something in his favor? Pathetic!
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