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Post by brobear on Oct 5, 2018 4:42:17 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/ ‘It had been completely consumed’: Grizzly bear eats black bear in Banff Colette Derworiz, Postmedia News | 22/08/13 | A large male grizzly bear is showing everyone who’s boss in Alberta’s mountain parks. Earlier this month, officials closed the Sundance Canyon area in Banff National Park after a group of hikers came upon a bear known as No. 122 feeding on a carcass. They reopened the trail late Tuesday after he moved on. During the investigation into the incident, officials determined the carcass was a small black bear. “It had been completely consumed,” said Steve Michel, a human wildlife conflict specialist with Banff National Park. “There was nothing remaining other than a skull, a hide, the four paws and some bones.” It’s believed it was a predatory attack on the black bear. “There were indications the black bear was foraging on the trail at the time,” he said. “It looks like that black bear just happened to find himself in the wrong place at the wrong time when a very large grizzly bear came by.” Michel said he didn’t expect there was much of a fight. "I don’t think there would have been much of a brawl that took place. It would have been fairly quick." “This is grizzly bear No. 122, so he’s a very large grizzly bear,” he said, noting it’s a 225- to 275-kilogram grizzly bear killing a 45-kilogram black bear. “I don’t think there would have been much of a brawl that took place. “It would have been fairly quick.” Although it’s not a common occurrence, Michel said there are other documented cases of grizzly bears feeding on black bears — including No. 122 eating another small black bear around the same time last year. “He’s definitely the dominant animal out on the landscape, so there are very few animals that would compare against him in terms of size,” he said. Meanwhile, another closure was put in place in the Marble Canyon area in Kootenay National Park due to a large grizzly bear feeding on an elk. “We did have a situation where people inadvertently passed really close by,” said Omar McDadi, spokesman for Lake Louise, Yoho and Kootenay national parks. The closure, which will be in place until the bear finishes the carcass, includes the Marble Canyon interpretive trail and surrounding area, the Tokumm Creek trail up to Kaufmann Lake, the connector trail to the Ochre Trail junction and the Helmet/Ochre trail. It’s possible the bear is again No. 122, although McDadi said that hasn’t yet been confirmed. As a precaution, officials have evacuated 12 backcountry users from Rockwall trail by helicopter. “Their main access point is through Marble Canyon,” he said, noting people who are still on the trail are being asked not to come down through the closed area. 45 kilograms is equal to 99.21 pounds (avoirdupois) 275 kilograms is equal to 606.27 pounds (avoirdupois)
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 5, 2018 5:00:05 GMT -5
Wow great find. looks like #122 loves black bears, lol. Poor black bear. Now that is dominant.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 6, 2018 23:04:17 GMT -5
This really is new, you would think that only Adult males would visit the tigers kills sites. Guess not according to this new information. Are those subadult bears just scavenging after the tiger left or stealing also?
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Post by brobear on Oct 7, 2018 2:11:23 GMT -5
This really is new, you would think that only Adult males would visit the tigers kills sites. Guess not according to this new information. Are those subadult bears just scavenging after the tiger left or stealing also? Only a full-grown grizzly or the occasional young male that thinks himself a big bear will attempt to displace a tiger. She-bears and juveniles scavenge leftovers. Asiatic black bears scavenge tiger kills. A shatun bear, being desperate, might challenge a mature male tiger over a carcass more often than a healthy grizzly. Remember that it is not about what a bear can do but rather its about - is the prize worth the pain, injury, and risk. A grizzly is not awarded a golden trophy for winning a fight. He receives no cheers. Only a bear in a really bad temper over some recent occurrence ( such as losing a fight over a she-bear ) might be looking for someone ( anyone ) to do battle with.
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Post by brobear on Oct 7, 2018 4:06:25 GMT -5
The question has been asked, "Why do tigers prey on bears and not other predators for food?" The answer is quite simple. Like the wild boar, bears are omnivores. Being an omnivore, to a full-time predator, bears smell like food. Therefore, any bear small enough is seen as prey for big cats and wolves.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 7, 2018 5:31:57 GMT -5
That sounds just about right, adult male tigers are no joke. Talking about shatun bears, no animal or no human wants to cross paths with one of these, trust me.
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Post by brobear on Oct 7, 2018 5:46:54 GMT -5
That sounds just about right, adult male tigers are no joke. Talking about shatun bears, no animal or no human wants to cross paths with one of these, trust me. I sure wouldn't want to blunder into one of those. Besides a shatun bear, probably the most likely bears to challenge a mature male tiger for a carcass would be a grizzly straight out of hibernation who is very hungry or else a grizzly in late Autumn who has desperate need of fat-gaining protein. In any case, I believe that it is uncommon for a grizzly to challenge a healthy mature male tiger for his kill. But it does happen.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 7, 2018 5:58:38 GMT -5
Of course its uncommon for a grizzly to challenge an adult male tiger, we agree there, but its not “zero” like some tiger fans claim. We have at least 4 adult male tigers killed by brown bears on record. Those should be over food disputes, the bears went to take the kill from the tigers, tigers defended and got killed. 4 records in more than 100 years is barely. here is the book ”North american predators” brown bears are only 1-1.5 % of the diet and adult male full grown tigers have been killed by brown bears in food disputes.
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Post by brobear on Oct 7, 2018 7:37:18 GMT -5
Nice post Kodiak. Just for the record; those adult bears killed in their dens in Winter were never males. There are no reliable reported killings of a mature male grizzly by a tiger on record. Not in captivity. No shatun bear. No hibernating bear. Nothing on record. *This by no means proves that it never happens, but I see this as proof-positive that for a tiger to kill a grizzly boar is probably equally as rare as a tiger killing a full-grown elephant or a full-grown Indian rhinoceros.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 7, 2018 8:10:33 GMT -5
Brobear....there was one recorded case of a male tiger that saw a huge male brown bear sleeping in its den and went the other way. Tigers dont attack adult male browns not even on hibernation.
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Post by brobear on Oct 11, 2018 8:18:55 GMT -5
First posted by Shadow - wildfact.com/forum/ ilmari.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/48545-karhun-ja-hirven-taistelu One case from Kainuu, Finland. Originally happened 6.5.2006. Posted to a newspaper by a reader. Writer lives in forest and house on the shore of a lake. So practically in the middle of wildlife and seeing a lot of wild animals. He say, that this incident is still highlight among all. Story synopsis (when there is I/we etc., it is about writer): Old-man Topi, neighbour, rushes in the house and shouts: "Come to watch, on opposite shore is a bear attacking a moose!". So it really was. About half an hour water of shoreline in river delta was splashing on opposite shore (about 400 meters). With binoculars it was seen clearly how a good sized bear was "riding" on the back of the bull moose. Occasionally the moose fell and we, four viewers were absolutely sure, that it wouldn´t get up anymore. With his last strength the moose managed to get up and escaped to melt shore water, bear on his back. In the middle of the lake was still ice cover. Finally only head of the moose could be seen on water and obviously the bear started to have lack of oxygen. Suddenly the bear emerged and swam away, maybe after some kick (estimation) from the moose underwater too. The bear swam to ice cover in the middle of lake, but it didn´t support his weight and heavy beast sunk time to time through ice in to the water, before it reached, exhausted the shore again. The bear was approximately age of 2-3 years, just woken up from hibernation. The moose was able to swim to shore too, well away from the bear and stood there badly injured (both sides with open wounds) and stiff caused by terror, totally immobile. I called immediately to Heikki Manninen of gamekeeping association and asked if the moose should be finished (miracle, that it survived so far). He said, that it would be better to let the nature to do its work to the end, pointing out, that if shot, then often the carcass doesn´t be suitable for bear anymore and it would for sure go back there to find the moose. After that I called to two nature photographers (Hannu Huttu and Kari Kemppainen), who arrived in no time with their telescope objectives. Kari (internationally known wildlife movie director from Kuhmo) told me, when I was helping him to carry those heavy camcorders and batteries to shore, that if he is able to film returning of the bear and final battle, then it would be one of those highlights, which are served only once in a lifetime. Unfortunately fight so far was recorded only in hardrives inside heads of four viewers for the rest of their lives... From attached photos can be seen though, how badly injured moose is standing in shock on the shore and the bear is planning anxiously returning to the moose. We brought to photographers coffee and they stayed to look how situation developes. Kari and Hannu told, that the bear went back on night, but wind direction revealed it to the moose, which then escaped outside the area, which could be photographed/filmed... After that I called to two nature photographers (Hannu Huttu and Kari Kemppainen), who arrived in no time with their telescope objectives. Kari (internationally known wildlife movie director from Kuhmo) told me, when I was helping him to carry those heavy camcorders and batteries to shore, that if he is able to film returning of the bear and final battle, then it would be one of those highlights, which are served only once in a lifetime. Unfortunately fight so far was recorded only in hardrives inside heads of four viewers for the rest of their lives... From attached photos can be seen though, how badly injured moose is standing in shock on the shore and the bear is planning anxiously returning to the moose. We brought to photographers coffee and they stayed to look how situation developes. Kari and Hannu told, that the bear went back on night, but wind direction revealed it to the moose, which then escaped outside the area, which could be photographed/filmed... After that day I was looking for from the nearby forest a long time, that where the carcass of that moose might be and I especially looked where ravens flew (best ones to help to find a carcass), but without results. Only next year a local woodsman found the carcass and not a long way from our house. The moose had swam with his last strength over river (Suoronjoki, offcially Suoronjoki-Isojoki) before the bear started to eat. My own search had ended on the other side of river because I would never had believed, that the badly injured animal would have been still able to swim and cross that river. Two photos taken by my colleague Hannu Huttu (his website
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 28, 2018 18:46:04 GMT -5
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Post by brobear on Oct 29, 2018 4:33:24 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/ One December morning a few years ago, I witnessed the unusual sight of a sloth bear feeding on a buffalo calf. I came upon a fresh leopard kill about 5 metres off the Talgasmankade road in Yala National Park. The leopard had obviously been disturbed by our approach and had not consumed any part of the kill; it had, however, made an incision about 10 cm wide in the skin of the stomach. As the leopard was not in evidence, we left the area, but returned at around 2.30 that same afternoon. We spotted the leopard, a young male, on a tamarind tree about 50 metres into the jungle. I parked the jeep about 30 metres from the kill, and whiled away the time taking photographs of the leopard on the tree. Suddenly, I heard rustling sound coming from behind the jeep. A sloth bear was approaching the kill, downwind, and therefore oblivious of my presence. The leopard, seeing the bear, slipped down the tree and went towards the dead calf, obviously anxious to protect its spoils. The bear took no notice of him, but kept sniffing the air and following the drag-mark made by the leopard earlier on, which meant he was not taking the most direct path to kill. The leopard sped towards the bear, belly to the ground, making low snarling, hissing sounds. The bear did not relent however, even as the big cat sprang at him thus three more times. Outdone, and in no mood for a fight, the leopard retreated to a small hollow in the thorny scrub. The bear did not bother to pursue him. The confrontation had been a noisy one, but with absolutely no physical contact. The bear then opened up the calf's stomach and began sucking on the gory juices. Then, using his paw, he tore out the intestines and ate them. Next, while holding down the carcass with one paw, he opened out the young buffalo's chest with a single sweep of the other paw and fed on the heart and lungs, sucking up all the blood in the cavity. It was interesting to note that he did not eat any of the 'flesh' (muscle). After feeding for about an hour and a half, the bear sat down patiently, cleaned his paws and face, rolled on the sandy road, and then ambled off in the same direction from whence he had come. Some minutes after his departure, the leopard came out of the thicket and started feeding. We left him to his meal.
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Post by brobear on Oct 29, 2018 4:35:21 GMT -5
Encounters between sloth bears and leopards are rare, often occurring in the evening at and around kill sites. In 1968, Kurt and Jayasuriya report of a sloth bear eaten by a leopard at Yala National Park, India. The details? The bear victim was either a young adult or sub adult female sloth bear described as three-quarter grown. The encounter occurred by a palu tree but whether the leopard was hunting the bear or if the meeting was a chance encounter is unclear. The authors stated the park staff were have to recorded only one other meeting between these two species in Yala National Park where a leopard was killed by a bear. The seriously injured bear was later destroyed by park officials. No other details of the encounter were provided. Kurt, F. and Jayasuriya, A. (1968). Notes on a dead bear. Loris, 11: 182-183. shaggygod.proboards.com/
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Post by brobear on Oct 29, 2018 4:44:59 GMT -5
( FACT )... For a black bear or a grizzly, a leopard is no more bother than a cougar. Sloth bears show no fear of leopards. Unsure of adult sun bear and leopard. Information is scarce.
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Post by King Kodiak on Oct 29, 2018 5:03:21 GMT -5
All these news just show that all species of bears are Kleptoparasites.
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Post by brobear on Dec 7, 2018 7:10:02 GMT -5
Just a thought: I believe that Siberia is a harsher environment that N. America south of the arctic. In Russia, a grizzly is unable to go into hibernation becomes a dangerous shatun bear and eventually starves to death or freezes to death due to a total lack of fat. Also in such a weakened condition he could become tiger prey. But in Montana and Wyoming ( unsure of Alaska ) sometimes a grizzly will skip hibernation. Wolves and cougars are far more accomplished predators than bears. A grizzly can survive a Winter by scavenging their kills; often displacing the predator to do so. In Russia, neither leopard nor tiger are not numerous. Tigers chase wolves out of their territories. Bottom line, not enough predation to keep a grizzly fed.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 7, 2018 7:21:23 GMT -5
Definatly great point. Siberia is definatly a harsher enviroment. So you are saying that in Siberia the bears would need to hibernate alot more than in North America because the kills that amur tigers and amur leopards are producing are not that much these days.
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Post by brobear on Dec 7, 2018 7:31:37 GMT -5
Definatly great point. Siberia is definatly a harsher enviroment. So you are saying that in Siberia the bears would need to hibernate alot more than in North America because the kills that amur tigers and amur leopards are producing are not that much these days. Three factors. ( 1 ) both big cats are extremely rare. ( 2 ) each individual leopard or tiger takes up a huge domain. ( 3 ) Tigers and wolves cannot share a domain. Perhaps where a big boar grizzly lives, a pack of wolves might have some protection. I doubt that a tiger would wish to share his domain with a big 600+ pound grizzly and definitely could not chase off the bear. The wolf pack would lose an occasional meal to the bear, but would benefit in the long run.
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Post by King Kodiak on Dec 7, 2018 17:27:55 GMT -5
Why would the wolf pack benefit in the long run? Its a lose lose situation with bears and tigers in their habitat.
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