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Post by brobear on Nov 22, 2021 3:53:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 4:09:57 GMT -5
@nocapabl
Last time I checked gaurs were considered as largest bovines of the world. If you have some scientific source claiming otherwise, I´m more than interested to see such.
And I comment comparison photos, when they are used and when I see there problems. These postings here are recent and comparison photos which are used have problems in my opinion.
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Post by nocapakabl on Nov 22, 2021 4:24:25 GMT -5
@nocapabl Last time I checked gaurs were considered as largest bovines of the world. If you have some scientific source claiming otherwise, I´m more than interested to see such. And I comment comparison photos, when they are used and when I see there problems. These postings here are recent and comparison photos which are used have problems in my opinion. Gaurs being the largest bovines on earth is a myth, just like siberian tigers being 300kg monsters or whatever. If you do the research you'll see that a large sample of wood bisons averaged 880kg in Feldhamer, Thompson and Chapman (2003) and 943kg (n=9) in a smaller sample from another study. Both of these figures outweigh the average for gaur bulls (see GauteGojiras collection or Ahrestani, 2018).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 5:28:53 GMT -5
@nocapabl Last time I checked gaurs were considered as largest bovines of the world. If you have some scientific source claiming otherwise, I´m more than interested to see such. And I comment comparison photos, when they are used and when I see there problems. These postings here are recent and comparison photos which are used have problems in my opinion. Gaurs being the largest bovines on earth is a myth, just like siberian tigers being 300kg monsters or whatever. If you do the research you'll see that a large sample of wood bisons averaged 880kg in Feldhamer, Thompson and Chapman (2003) and 943kg (n=9) in a smaller sample from another study. Both of these figures outweigh the average for gaur bulls (see GauteGojiras collection or Ahrestani, 2018). Well, claiming it to be a myth is pretty controversial. These sources you mention make it possible to discuss about issue, but not call it a myth. There are many more studies too and usually gaur is mentioned as largest wild bovine of the world. And their size backs up it quite well. But it´s true that averages in some studies are close call with wood bisons. For instance Ahrestani mention first, that bulls grow rapidly to weights over 900 kg. Later he mentions weights of six gaur bulls shot in wild, which is too smalle number to make bigger conclusions. So with Ahrestani it depends how different people think about it. First he makes a statement indicating, that bull gaurs would average somewhere over 900 kg and later there is that mentioning of a few shot gaurs. My opinion is, that this is somewhat debatable issue maybe, but myth is too strong word for me what comes to this. Gaurs are huge bovines by any standard.
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Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2021 4:15:20 GMT -5
shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/474/guinness-world-record-kodiak-bears The largest Kodiak bear ever held captive in a British zoo was probably a male called 'Nick' (one of the twins) received at London Zoo direct from N America on 29 January 1954 At the age of one year he scaled 595lb 270kg, and when he died at Whipsnade Zoo in October 1963 he recorded a posthumous weight of 1148lb 521kg. He could reach meat suspended 10ft 3in 12m from the ground. The closely related Peninsula giant bear (Ursus a. gyas) of the Alaska Peninsula and other parts of the slat.- has also been credited with the title of 'largest living land carnivore’ and there is very little to Choose between these two races of brown bear in terms of actual size.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 24, 2021 7:28:52 GMT -5
Kodiak bears could probably be heavier than male polar bears from Foxe Basin if their big males were not hunted by poachers.
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Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2021 7:33:24 GMT -5
Kodiak bears could probably be heavier than male polar bears from Foxe Basin if their big males were not hunted by poachers. No, not Kodiaks living in the wild. Salmon is a great source of protein, but they are only available for a limited portion of the year. Polar bears consume blubber all year long.
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Post by tom on Nov 24, 2021 8:37:16 GMT -5
As I mentioned for instance that latest picture with Siberian tiger and Ussuri browb bear by theundertaker45 was very good. And many others too. We'll I'm glad that you think so Shadow. I would hate for Undertaker to to think all of his comparison photos are questionable.
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Post by brobear on Nov 24, 2021 10:05:04 GMT -5
www.ultimateungulate.com/Artiodactyla/Bovinae.html Gaur - The dark brown coat is short and dense, while the lower legs are white to tan in colour. There is a dewlap under the chin which extends between the front legs. There is a shoulder hump which is especially pronounced in adult males. The horns are found in both sexes, and grow from the sides of the head, curving upwards. Yellow at the base and turning black at the tips, they grow to a length of 80 cm / 32 inches. A bulging grey-tan ridge connects the horns on the forehead. Body Length: 250-330 cm / 8.3-11 ft. Shoulder Height: 170-220 cm / 5.6-7.2 ft. Tail Length: 70-100 cm / 28-40 in. Weight: 700-1000 kg / 1540-2200 lb. American bison - The dark brown coat is long and shaggy on the forequarters, including the front legs, neck, and shoulders (individual hairs may be up to 50 cm / 20 inches long). On rare occasions the coat is gray, speckled or cream coloured. Calves are born a light reddish brown colour, but generally change to dark brown by 6 months of age. Males may be up to 1/3 larger than females. On the forehead, the hair is woolly and curly, giving the head a mop-like appearance between the horns. There is a beard beneath the chin. The shoulders are massive and humped, with the head carried low. The short horns are present in both sexes and arch backwards, outwards, and then upwards, curving slightly in at the blunt tips. Body Length: up to 380 cm / 12.5 ft Shoulder Height: up to 195 cm / 6.5 ft. Tail Length: 90 cm / 3 ft. Weight: 545-818 kg / 1200-1800 lb. Kouprey - Calves are born brown, though they change to an overall grey with age. The underparts and lower legs are lighter. As males mature, their colour changes again to black or very dark brown. Adult males also have a pronounced dewlap (pendulous skin at the base of the neck) growing 40 cm / 16 in long, which may touch the ground. Both sexes have curious notched nostrils, and a long tail. Females' horns are lyre-shaped, much like those of the Tragelaphinae, and grow 40 cm / 16 in long. The wide spreading horns in males arch forward and upward in such a way that there is a splintered fringe of horn that cannot be rubbed off. They grow up to a length of 80 cm / 32 inches. Body Length: 210-220 cm / 7-7.3 ft. Shoulder Height: 170-190 cm / 5.6-6.3 ft. Tail Length: 100-110 cm / 3.3-3.6 ft. Weight: 700-900 kg / 1540-1980 lb. Yak - The dark black-brown coat is dense, wooly, and extremely shaggy, although the colour is variable in domestic yaks. 'Golden' wild yaks are also known, but are extremely rare. The shoulders are high and humped, with a broad, drooping head. The short legs have broad hooves and large dewclaws as an adaptation to mountainous environments. The horns are found in both sexes, though those of the females are considerably smaller and shorter. They grow up to 51 cm / 20 inches long in females, and 95 cm / 38 inches in males. The curved horns grow out from the sides of the head and curve upwards. Body Length: Up to 325 cm / 10.8 ft. Shoulder Height: Up to 200 cm / 6.6 ft. Tail Length: 60 cm / 24 in. Weight: 305-820 kg / 670-1805 lb. Asian water buffalo - Wild water buffalo are massive and barrel-chested, with rather short legs. Males tend to be much larger than females. Both sexes are slate-gray to black in color, although mature males tend to be very dark. The lower legs are pale, but this can be difficult to discern since water buffalo frequently wallow in mud. One or two white crescents are usually present on the throat or upper chest, and there may also be faint pale markings around the eyes, on the sides of the nose, and by the mouth. The ears tend to droop downwards. Wild water buffalo are reknowned for their incredible scimitar-shaped horns, which may exceed 120 cm in spread. The horns extend sideways from the skull and curve backwards; in Indian buffalo, the horns often curve in a semicircle, while in buffalo from Thailand and Cambodia the horns spread much more to the side with minimal inward curvature at the tips. Horns of males are thicker, but often shorter, than those of females. Head and body length: 240-280 cm / 7 feet 10 inches to 9 feet 2 inches. Shoulder height: 160-190 cm / 5 feet 3 inches to 6 feet 3 inches. Tail length: 60-85 cm Adult weight: 800-1,200 kg / 1,763.70 pounds to 2,645.55 pounds.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 14:29:33 GMT -5
Kodiak bears could probably be heavier than male polar bears from Foxe Basin if their big males were not hunted by poachers. I haven´t heard about poaching what comes to Kodiak Islands. They have certain number of permits every year for hunters. While some polar bear populations suffer heavily from climate change etc. Kodiak bears have had pretty good conditions all the time. Time will tell how situation develops if salmon numbers drop.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Nov 24, 2021 14:33:35 GMT -5
Kodiak bears could probably be heavier than male polar bears from Foxe Basin if their big males were not hunted by poachers. No, not Kodiaks living in the wild. Salmon is a great source of protein, but they are only available for a limited portion of the year. Polar bears consume blubber all year long. Polar bears’ body fat are like in a consistent autumn mode.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2021 16:11:40 GMT -5
As I mentioned for instance that latest picture with Siberian tiger and Ussuri browb bear by theundertaker45 was very good. And many others too. We'll I'm glad that you think so Shadow. I would hate for Undertaker to to think all of his comparison photos are questionable. I discuss about issues, which have problems or are controversial. It´s not about who has done some picture etc. but what it looks like, are there things, which are good to pay attention if expecting to see as realistic and fair comparison as possible. I have seen good ones, which can´t be criticized too much after checking certain things, but then again also a lot of pictures which have been questionable and not too accurate at all. It´s good to discuss about things, imo, because it makes it possible for all to notice good and bad things in different pictures, no matter by whom they are done.
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Post by brobear on Sept 10, 2022 8:38:54 GMT -5
Scientists In Ethiopia Have Discovered A New Species Of Prehistoric Otter — And This One Is The Size Of A Modern-Day Lion allthatsinteresting.com/enhydriodon-omoensis-fossil?fbclid=IwAR0TQOSTS_WQeLkWdrnFkq4ywMNcTrcrpGnjRZUM0f3Qg7eguQ8WEkvC6TM Though giant otters have been found before, the species identified in Ethiopia is believed to be the largest ever discovered. Scientists working in the Lower Omo Valley of southwestern Ethiopia have identified a new species of prehistoric otter. Unlike its modern-day kin, this otter, Enhydriodon omoensis, was around 440 pounds. According to a new study published in the French scientific journal Comptes Rendus Palevol, the giant otter lived in present-day Ethiopia between 3.5 million to 2.5 million years ago. Though modern otters range from four pounds to 100 pounds, this otter was much, much bigger — more the size of a modern-day lion. Researchers believe it’s the largest otter ever discovered. A team led by Camille Grohé of the University of Poitiers determined the otter’s impressive size by studying its femur and teeth. Though giant otters of smaller proportions are known to have roamed Eurasia and Africa two to six million years ago, Enhydriodon omoensis is the largest by far. The Daily Mail notes that a similar giant otter fossil discovered in China, Siamogale melilutra, was closer to the size of a wolf at about 110 pounds. But that’s not the only unusual thing about Ethiopia’s Enhydriodon omoensis. “The peculiar thing, in addition to its massive size, is that [isotopes] in its teeth suggest it was not aquatic, like all modern otters,” study co-author Kevin Uno, a geochemist at the Columbia Climate School’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, explained, according to Phys.org. “We found it had a diet of terrestrial animals, also differing from modern otters.” According to Phys.org, researchers looked at the giant otter’s teeth to understand what it ate. By studying stable isotopes of carbon and oxygen in its tooth enamel, they found that the otter had a similar diet to prehistoric terrestrial mammals like big cats and hyenas. This surprised the research team, because they had expected the otter to have a similar diet to ancient hippos “or other semi-aquatic animals,” creatures that consume things like mollusks, turtles, crocodiles, and catfish. Instead, it appears that Enhydriodon omoensis hunted prey that ate a “terrestrial” diet of grasses, vegetation, and trees.
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Post by brobear on Sept 10, 2022 8:39:34 GMT -5
Enhydriodon omoensis: Not only was the otter large, but researchers believe that it likely lived on land.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 22, 2022 3:19:12 GMT -5
Imagine an otter this huge living today.
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