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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 1, 2018 10:57:44 GMT -5
How well would a kodiak bear do against a siberian tiger? And my second question is do tigers kill adult brown bears in Russia or is it just a myth? There has never been a record of any adult male brown bear killed by a tiger. Only cubs, subadults, and SOME adult famales up to about 450 lbs, but few records only. check this out, even Peter from Wildfact, the most famous and smarter tiger fan, and he is a researcher also, even he said that biologists never found any evidence of an adult male brown bear killed by a tiger. PETER Biologists never found evidence of an adult male brown bear killed by a tiger. That, however, doesn't mean it never happens. Based on what I saw in captive animals, I'd say most Amur tigers would be willing to give it a try, especially if they dislike their opponent. Fights between male tigers and male brown bears do not seem very different from fights between tigers. In tigers, dislikes are not uncommon. Fueds seem to fit fit tigers and they can last for a long time. Fights, seen in this light, are mere phases. Post 1752 wildfact.com/forum/topic-on-the-edge-of-extinction-a-the-tiger-panthera-tigris?page=117
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 11:43:27 GMT -5
Great research bro. This is even more proof that tigers are inferior to brown bear when it comes to a face to face fight.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 1, 2018 15:40:45 GMT -5
Great research bro. This is even more proof that tigers are inferior to brown bear when it comes to a face to face fight. Thanks buddy. Yeah if the smartest tiger fan says that biologists never found any evidence of an adult male brown bear killed by a tiger, well then what can the other tiger fans say? Nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 21:18:59 GMT -5
This is even more proof that a large bear is more than capable of killing a tiger. If blacks which are smaller than brown bears and less strong are able to kill a tiger then a brown bear of 900 lbs and up will surely wreck a tiger
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 2, 2018 9:57:16 GMT -5
Whoever wrote that animal faceoff is a bogus show is just a tiger fan that is hurt that the cat lost. #1...animal faceoff hired scientists. #2...winning on animal faceoff is better than losing. #3...that is exactly what happens in the siberia between the ussuri brown bear and the amur tiger, the bear goes to take the kill, and if the tiger decides to defend it, (which in most cases they dont) , then a fight happens, and like the episode showed, it was between adult males, and there the bears usually win by wrestling the tiger down and breaking his spine with his weight, which is exactly how bears fight. So that episode was 100 % correct.
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Post by brobear on Sept 2, 2018 10:11:35 GMT -5
Nice Kodiak. Yes, I used to watch that show. The grizzly without any doubts has a tremendous advantage in both brute-strength and primate-like intelligence over the big cats. I've been missing in action lately; hard times. I'm back.
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Post by brobear on Sept 2, 2018 10:24:31 GMT -5
Even centuries ago, when the wildlife of Russia was much more heavily populated, I have serious doubts that any tiger was ever foolish enough to choose a full-grown healthy grizzly boar as potential prey. I also believe that a full-grown grizzly boar can, did, and still does today displace tigers ( any sex or size ) from their kills when the bears are in need of their Winter fattening. It is then that an occasion a tiger might defend his kill. Some bears will back down ( intelligence at work ) if the bear is not in desperate need of the meat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 10:38:43 GMT -5
Nice Kodiak. Yes, I used to watch that show. The grizzly without any doubts has a tremendous advantage in both brute-strength and primate-like intelligence over the big cats. I've been missing in action lately; hard times. I'm back. Nice to have you back. Im new here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 10:40:24 GMT -5
Even centuries ago, when the wildlife of Russia was much more heavily populated, I have serious doubts that any tiger was ever foolish enough to choose a full-grown healthy grizzly boar as potential prey. I also believe that a full-grown grizzly boar can, did, and still does today displace tigers ( any sex or size ) from their kills when the bears are in need of their Winter fattening. It is then that an occasion a tiger might defend his kill. Some bears will back down ( intelligence at work ) if the bear is not in desperate need of the meat. I agree with you. I think a large adult male can kill any tiger it chooses. What do you think of a kodiak bear vs a 800 pound siberian tiger? My money is on the kodiak bear.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 2, 2018 10:50:21 GMT -5
Brobear...well am glad you are back. Did you see my post about Peter? He even said that biologists never found any evidence of an adult male brown bear killed by a tiger. Also, some tiger fanatics claim that bears have never taken kills from adult male full grown tigers. But we know chapter 19 of “The siberian tiger project” clearly states that at least 2 adult male tiger killed by bears in food disputes. And we have this also, the book “North american predators” which clearly states “brown bears have killed full grown adult male tigers” in food disputes. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 10:58:37 GMT -5
Brobear...well am glad you are back. Did you see my post about Peter? He even said that biologists never found any evidence of an adult male brown bear killed by a tiger. Also, some tiger fanatics claim that bears have never taken kills from adult male full grown tigers. But we know chapter 19 of “The siberian tiger project” clearly states that at least 2 adult male tiger killed by bears in food disputes. And we have this also, the book “North american predators” which clearly states “brown bears have killed full grown adult male tigers” in food disputes. Good find. Man you are on a roll!
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 2, 2018 11:15:40 GMT -5
Brutestrenght....thanks bro, i just have done alot of research.
But i need someone to please tell me why my attachments look so small ? Anyways if you click on it you can enlarge it.
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Post by tom on Sept 2, 2018 12:04:12 GMT -5
Even centuries ago, when the wildlife of Russia was much more heavily populated, I have serious doubts that any tiger was ever foolish enough to choose a full-grown healthy grizzly boar as potential prey. I also believe that a full-grown grizzly boar can, did, and still does today displace tigers ( any sex or size ) from their kills when the bears are in need of their Winter fattening. It is then that an occasion a tiger might defend his kill. Some bears will back down ( intelligence at work ) if the bear is not in desperate need of the meat. Welcome back oh wise one.
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Post by brobear on Sept 9, 2018 17:41:46 GMT -5
True Kodiak; but in the wilds of the R.F.E., more bears are killed by tigers than tigers by bears. A grizzly simply does not go tiger hunting. But tigers sometimes do stalk and ambush juvenile bears. So, when all is said and done, if we were keeping score ( bear vs tiger ), the tiger is ahead. But honestly, tigers do not kill enough bears to be considered a threat to the species.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 9, 2018 18:07:33 GMT -5
and here is where the confusion is and the core if this debate, yes tigers “hunt” bears, by ambush always basically, hence “AMBUSH PREDATOR” so yes, of course more bears are killed than tigers, but which animal is winning in face to face battles? Captive fights? You already seen the accounts and know the answer. As of today its bears 20, tigers 1. This not knowing how many siberian tigers were killed by black bears in the Goldrush era. Ask Warsaw at Carnivora about that one, he found it.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 9, 2018 18:24:13 GMT -5
This discussion should be really in the grizzly vs tiger thread, i just forgot one very important item. In the wild, why are there more bears killed by tigers than the other way around? well first, because the tiger is the hunter of course, not the bear. but guess what? I am probably the only guy that says this in this debate, and i am 100% right. You know the other reason why there are less tigers killed? Because they DEPART like cowards when the ussuri brown bear goes to take their kill, more clear? Impossible. here it is. researchers have observed bears following tiger tracks to scavenge tigers' kills or to prey on tigers. Bears frequently track down tigers to usurp their kills, with occasional fatal outcomes for the tiger. A report from 1973 describes twelve known cases of brown bears killing tigers, including adult males; in all cases the tigers were subsequently eaten by the bears. There are reports of brown bears specifically targeting Amur leopards and tigers to appropriate their kills. In the Sikhote-Alin reserve, 35% of tiger kills were stolen by bears, with the tigers either departing entirely or leaving part of the kill for the bear. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_bear
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 18:59:46 GMT -5
I think tiger fans are crazy when they say a tiger can kill a brown bear with a 400 pound weight weight advantage. Let's say we use a 700 pound siberian tiger and put it in a room with a kodiak bear that weigh 1,100 pounds surely the bear would win due to the 400 pound weight advantage that it have. Older male bears would be better to use in this scenario in my opinion because older males should have the muscle and strength to take on such a worthy foe. I remember reading somewhere on carnivora or perhaps some other site that older male brownies actually increase muscle mass with age. Now if this is true than it's even better to use a dominant adult male brown bear in a fight with a siberian tiger with at least a 400 pound weight advantage to ensure the bear a pure victory over it's opponent.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 12, 2018 19:10:06 GMT -5
For sure i agree. But there are no 700 lb siberian tigers, much less today. You can barely find one of 600 lbs. anyways, 400 lb advantage is just a knock out, A bear with a 200 lb advantage will beat a tiger 8/9 out of 10 in face to face fights. The accounts we have have proven that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2018 19:20:09 GMT -5
For sure i agree. But there are no 700 lb siberian tigers, much less today. You can barely find one of 600 lbs. anyways, 400 lb advantage is just a knock out, A bear with a 200 lb advantage will beat a tiger 8/9 out of 10 in face to face fights. The accounts we have have proven that. Yes you're 100% right a 200 pound weight difference will get the job done but I sometimes like to use a bear with a weight advantage between at least 300 to 500 pounds just to be safe.
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Post by King Kodiak on Sept 12, 2018 19:24:09 GMT -5
Oh ok well then you are very safe my friend, dont worry, hahaha.
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