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Post by brobear on Sept 22, 2022 1:19:35 GMT -5
Brown bears killing tigers has to be extremely rare. Bears do not hunt predators (wolves, leopards, tigers, etc) for food. Red deer and wild boar are certainly easier to catch and I have no doubts better tasting. As for a tiger being killed while defending a carcass, more often than not, the tiger will simply relinquish his kill to the bear. As posted above, if a full-grown male brown bear were to notice a sick, injured, or old tiger, then yes, he might catch and kill the big cat for food. At kill sites, I could not imagine a hungry brown bear, weighing from 600 to 800+ pounds, not challenging a full-grown male tiger (in the 400-pound range) for the carcass. Bears do not look for fights, but they do look for food. A big brown bear will challenge another big brown bear, so why not a tiger? However (IMO) it is a rare case when the tiger stands his ground and fights. *By the way; nice find OldGreenGrolar
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 22, 2022 1:41:19 GMT -5
/\ Thanks. I found it on Carnivora.
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Post by OldGreenGrolar on Sept 22, 2022 3:13:40 GMT -5
animalkingdom.su/books/item/f00/s00/z0000074/st031.shtmlFrom Russian biologist - Bromlei "Among animals, an adult tiger has no enemies. Only very rare cases are known when he died from wounds inflicted on him by a cleaver boar, buffalo or brown bear, who were defending against his attack."
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Post by brobear on Sept 27, 2022 7:02:48 GMT -5
Courtesy of Montezuma: So from all the above given scientific data, here are our solid, confirmed, authentic and approved points that sharpely cut off tigerfan's fantansy claims.
1#. Brown bears are generally zero percent in tiger's diet. (The Siberian Tiger Project: Diet table)
2#. If preyed, thosebears are always young and subadults, and very rarely female adults. (Ivan Seryodkin, N.A. Baikov)
3#. Tigers generally avoid brown bears and hestiate to attack them. (Alexander Batalov, N.A. Baikov)
4#. Male brown bears are not afraid of tigers. (Grigory Linkov)
5#. Brown bears can displace tigers from their kills including adult males and invariably dominate such disputes. (Miquelle, Tkachenko)
6#. A male brown bear can generally defeat a male male tiger in a fight. (Mikhail Krechmar)
7#. A tiger always chooses a bear about 100 pound smaller than himself. (BART SCHLEYER)
8#. If a tiger attacks by ambush, the tiger wins but if the ambush fails so the bear would surely conquer the tiger. (MIKHAILOVICH SHIROKOGOROV)
9#. Brown bear predation on tigers is very but becomes intense in harsh winters. (Gorokhov)
10#. No case of adult male brown bear killed by tiger is known to biologists. (Miquelle, Amurtiger centre)
11#. Female brown bear is more stronger than tigeress. (Alex Kulikov)
12#. Apart from human, brown bears have no natural enemies. (N.A. Baikov)
13#. Brown bears reap great benefit from tiger's winter kills. (Dale Miquelle)
14#. Brown bears are stronger and more enduring than the tigers. (Sysoev)
15#. Brown bears are the real master of the taiga as they are not afraid if tigers and can beat them.(Grigory linkov, Sysoev) 16#. Brown bear kleptoparasitism can effect tiger's prey selection meaning brown bears can effect tiger's survival rate. (Krofel, John Goldrich)
17# Brown bears are more dangerous and better fighters than tigers. (Clyde beatty).
I hope, everybody enjoyed this thread!!! Period!
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Post by yz on Sept 27, 2022 7:43:51 GMT -5
Courtesy of Montezuma: So from all the above given scientific data, here are our solid, confirmed, authentic and approved points that sharpely cut off tigerfan's fantansy claims. 1#. Brown bears are generally zero percent in tiger's diet. (The Siberian Tiger Project: Diet table) 2#. If preyed, thosebears are always young and subadults, and very rarely female adults. (Ivan Seryodkin, N.A. Baikov) 3#. Tigers generally avoid brown bears and hestiate to attack them. (Alexander Batalov, N.A. Baikov) 4#. Male brown bears are not afraid of tigers. (Grigory Linkov) 5#. Brown bears can displace tigers from their kills including adult males and invariably dominate such disputes. (Miquelle, Tkachenko) 6#. A male brown bear can generally defeat a male male tiger in a fight. (Mikhail Krechmar) 7#. A tiger always chooses a bear about 100 pound smaller than himself. (BART SCHLEYER) 8#. If a tiger attacks by ambush, the tiger wins but if the ambush fails so the bear would surely conquer the tiger. (MIKHAILOVICH SHIROKOGOROV) 9#. Brown bear predation on tigers is very but becomes intense in harsh winters. (Gorokhov) 10#. No case of adult male brown bear killed by tiger is known to biologists. (Miquelle, Amurtiger centre) 11#. Female brown bear is more stronger than tigeress. (Alex Kulikov) 12#. Apart from human, brown bears have no natural enemies. (N.A. Baikov) 13#. Brown bears reap great benefit from tiger's winter kills. (Dale Miquelle) 14#. Brown bears are stronger and more enduring than the tigers. (Sysoev) 15#. Brown bears are the real master of the taiga as they are not afraid if tigers and can beat them.(Grigory linkov, Sysoev) 16#. Brown bear kleptoparasitism can effect tiger's prey selection meaning brown bears can effect tiger's survival rate. (Krofel, John Goldrich) 17# Brown bears are more dangerous and better fighters than tigers. (Clyde beatty). I hope, everybody enjoyed this thread!!! Period! Did batalov really say such a thing ? Isn't he the one who brought this hoax about chlamid being killed by a tiger?
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Post by brobear on Sept 27, 2022 7:58:03 GMT -5
Quote: Did batalov really say such a thing ? Isn't he the one who brought this hoax about chlamid being killed by a tiger? *No. That is the tiger fanboy's version. No one can show me anything published in Batalov's own words that Ochkarik killed Mantle, also known as Chlamid. As a matter of fact, if this had actually happened, that would have been huge news. Batalov would have published this story in a scientific study, which would have been on the cover of newspapers all over the world. So no; Batalove never said that Ochkarik killed Chlamid.
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Post by yz on Sept 27, 2022 8:27:01 GMT -5
Quote: Did batalov really say such a thing ? Isn't he the one who brought this hoax about chlamid being killed by a tiger? *No. That is the tiger fanboy's version. No one can show me anything published in Batalov's own words that Ochkarik killed Mantle, also known as Chlamid. As a matter of fact, if this had actually happened, that would have been huge news. Batalov would have published this story in a scientific study, which would have been on the cover of newspapers all over the world. So no; Batalove never said that Ochkarik killed Chlamid. What about this video ? Starting at 16:22 he said something in russian and when i checked the english translation, he really stated that ochkarik killed the bear.
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Post by brobear on Sept 27, 2022 9:18:50 GMT -5
I see and hear two men speaking in (I assume), Russian. Once again, IF Batalov had even one shred of evidence as proof that a full-grown Ussuri brown bear was killed by a tiger, he would have filed a scientific report on the incident. But, he did not. Therefore, we still have not one single confirmed killing of an adult male brown bear by a tiger.
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Post by brobear on Sept 27, 2022 9:27:29 GMT -5
Thats is a very great source by warsaw. Warsaw added; "On my own behalf, I’ll add that Batalov does not conduct a single piece of evidence in favor of the conclusion that he makes (or that journalists attribute to him in the article): there are no signs of a struggle, no bones, no skull. Nothing at all, except for the remains of some bear in the scats of a tiger. There is not only no reason to believe that this is the same bear, but even reason to think that some bear was killed, and not just picked up by a tiger." This is a very great insight by warsaw.
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Post by arctozilla on Sept 27, 2022 10:04:50 GMT -5
Dale Miquelle said "no reliable cases of male adult brown bears dying to tigers". That means Batalov event was unaccepted by scientific community cuz Dale Miquelle would be the first one who should know about the case.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 27, 2022 14:24:25 GMT -5
Time to read 227 pages.
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Post by brobear on Sept 30, 2022 4:23:03 GMT -5
If you are searching for a confirmed account of a tiger killing a full grown male brown bear, then you are BigFoot hunting in Central Park.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 30, 2022 7:58:25 GMT -5
When did I say domination is the problem? And when did I say it was because of more killing accounts of females and cubs etc? No. There are like 2-3 tiger killing male bear accounts that can be considered here.
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Post by arctozilla on Sept 30, 2022 9:30:48 GMT -5
/\ yeah unconfirmed accounts
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Post by brobear on Sept 30, 2022 9:46:28 GMT -5
Dale Miquelle said "no reliable cases of male adult brown bears dying to tigers". That means Batalov event was unaccepted by scientific community cuz Dale Miquelle would be the first one who should know about the case. Dale Miquelle should know, if anyone does. By the way Dale (Misha), the notorious "bear killer" was named after him. He loves tigers; so absolutely no favoritism here.
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 30, 2022 12:56:20 GMT -5
Alright then, whatever you guys say. But are there any confirmed bear killing tiger accounts? Think about it. All we have been doing is debunking so why not fight back? Why not email the professionals like we have always been doing about bear killing tiger accounts instead? Why don't we scour the Internet for sources? Cmon! We have to fight for bearsus christ! WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR OUR BEAR FREEDOM AND OUR BARE RIGHTS. WE ARE-
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Post by yz on Sept 30, 2022 14:51:42 GMT -5
Alright then, whatever you guys say. But are there any confirmed bear killing tiger accounts? Think about it. All we have been doing is debunking so why not fight back? Why not email the professionals like we have always been doing about bear killing tiger accounts instead? Why don't we scour the Internet for sources? Cmon! We have to fight for bearsus christ! WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR OUR BEAR FREEDOM AND OUR BARE RIGHTS. WE ARE- Shut it already. We're not in some world war III
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 30, 2022 15:16:43 GMT -5
NO! THIS IS NOT WORLD WAR 3!!! THIS IS UNIVERSE WAR 1!!!!!!!!!!! BEARS VS BIG CATS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WAR OF HUMANITY AND ANIMALS ! ! WE MUST BRING WEAPONS! ANARCHY AND DESTRUCTION TO THE BIG CAT SIDE, WE MUST MAKE ALL OF THEM EXTINCT LIKE WE DID THE SMILODONS!!!!! now how do I get this tinfoil hat off
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Post by yz on Sept 30, 2022 16:17:44 GMT -5
NO! THIS IS NOT WORLD WAR 3!!! THIS IS UNIVERSE WAR 1!!!!!!!!!!! BEARS VS BIG CATS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WAR OF HUMANITY AND ANIMALS ! ! WE MUST BRING WEAPONS! ANARCHY AND DESTRUCTION TO THE BIG CAT SIDE, WE MUST MAKE ALL OF THEM EXTINCT LIKE WE DID THE SMILODONS!!!!! now how do I get this tinfoil hat off What? 😂😂😂
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Post by skibidibopmmdada on Sept 30, 2022 16:25:34 GMT -5
Please help me it is stuck to my head IT IS ALL LIES! LIONS AND TIGERS DONT EXIST ! IT IS ALL A LIE MADE BY A GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BY CATS AND THEY ARE CONTROLLING YOU ALL TOO ! I ALMOST FELL FOR IT AT THE PARK YESTERDAY ! IT TRIED TO KILL ME BY ROLLING ON THE GROUND!!!!!! THEY CLEARLY KNOW I AM A DANGEROUS ENEMY AND THEY MUST GET RID OF ME DUE TO MY HIGH INTELLIGENCE AND THE TINFOIL HAT PROTECTS ME FROM THEIR DELUSION AND LIES please help me hegitoffples
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